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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
    If you look at their interactions in the MSQ and sidequests, they never, ever accept a drink from a stranger again unless they see other people drinking from the same batch or if the drink is made right in front of them. It's a neat bit of subtle characterization for the Warrior of Light.

    Otherwise, the Warrior of Light is stronger than Estinien, whose jumps can flatten entire forests, and they can meet the colossal Gulool Ja Ja evenly in a contest of physical strength and is the only one to do so other than Valigarmanda.
    I'd generally put forward that Estinien is stronger in a 'brute strength' way, it's just that the WoL is a better fighter.

    Which is exactly something that'd come into play in a duel against Gulool Ja Ja. You don't destroy the royal palace you're a guest in, that's just rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I'd generally put forward that Estinien is stronger in a 'brute strength' way, it's just that the WoL is a better fighter.

    Which is exactly something that'd come into play in a duel against Gulool Ja Ja. You don't destroy the royal palace you're a guest in, that's just rude.
    Well, remember Gulool Ja Ja's challenge to the Warrior of Light.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gulool Ja Ja in "A Father First"
    The battle rage is upon me! I'll stop short of killing you, of course... but expect no other mercies!
    Gulool Ja Ja and the Warrior of Light were going full throttle. Their pride as fighters wouldn't let them do anything less. And Gulool Ja Ja claims that WoL is the first one to withstand his full strength.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gulool Ja Ja in "A Father First"
    I've brought my full strength to bear against opponents before, but you are the first to withstand it. Even with my Head of Reason asleep, I never expected you to give me so much trouble... Estinien did not exaggerate: you are a force to be reckoned with!
    Gulool Ja Ja would WANT Estinien to use his full strength and Estinien would almost certainly give it to him given his interest in worthy opponents every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
    Well, remember Gulool Ja Ja's challenge to the Warrior of Light.



    Gulool Ja Ja and the Warrior of Light were going full throttle. Their pride as fighters wouldn't let them do anything less. And Gulool Ja Ja claims that WoL is the first one to withstand his full strength.



    Gulool Ja Ja would WANT Estinien to use his full strength and Estinien would almost certainly give it to him given his interest in worthy opponents every now and then.
    Absolutely fair! But at the same time, Gulool Ja Ja is a man absolutely capable of handling raw, brute force (like you said, he fought Valigarmanda, who wasn't exactly dangerous because of intellect), while also being capable of recognizing that strength is more than that.

    Exactly what we have over Estinien in this context is... interesting, because that's one of the few scenes in the game with role-based dialog changes: what Gulool highlights as your grestest strength actually changes based on if you're a tank, DPS or healer. But no matter what, he always respects our ability to withstand him in a fight. So if anything, our strength compared to Estinien isn't in power, it's in being able to last longer. Granted, Estinien's fight was called off, so maybe Gulool couldn't be considered an accurate judge of that?
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