Thread: patch 7.2 or next expansion

Originally Posted by Basteala

I wouldn't get my hopes up until 8.0, tbh.

LOL that's what they all said in 6.3: "surely things will get better in 7.0"

This game needs to be playable by kids laying on the couch with a controller so I wouldn't get my hopes up. You'll get more 1-2-3, more arbitrary damage cooldowns that change to 'X to target and 70% less to all around' finisher bloat, more resources that combo into another resource purely to mask the lack of actual game mechanics. More donuts, circles, lines and stack markers to test your IQ 50.000 gaming skillZ in the famed and critically acclaimed Savage and ulTiMatE content. And you will be happy.

They were handed millions of players for free when WoW imploded a few years back, yet they didn't act on it. I personally wouldn't expect anything other than more copy and paste content with their 6 combat mechanics and a bunch of Barbie gear on the store, but that's just me.

The next expansion is the play. Gives you two expansions worth of content. Just in case they shit the bed next expansion like this one, and there's nothing to do like this one.

Sure, you'll miss the fomo items and the fomo wave of the new exploratory zone, but it would be better served.

Originally Posted by Xapapetsu

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We get upset when they implement something in a half-assed way, or just stop trying, which this team is notorious for. CSIII has a reputation for implementing something, half-assing it so that the feature is either unfinished or clearly still in beta phase, and then taking forever to get it functional - the Glamour Dresser is a perfect example of this. All these promises were made, not the least of which was that it won't eat your items. When it was released, what did it do ?Oh yeah... it ate your items. Oopsie. Then it also ended up having less plates and storage room than they claimed it would. 6+ years on, Glam Dresser is still a disaster.

The exploration zone is always going to be a mixed bag. There are those who will love it, and those who will merely accept it as a means to get a relic. There are those that don't even want one at all, because it's too much work to bother with, because you have to do more than just sleepwalk through it. Those are the people that won in EW, btw. CSIII got tired of trying to make Diadem/Eureka/Bozja content, so they just did what they always do - instead of iterating based on feedback, or trying a new version, they simply gave up on it. They did the same thing with Island Sanctuary. People expected a fun, Stardew Valley style experience, and what they got was Microsoft Excel XIV. So instead of fixing the content to more closely match player's desires, they simply... gave up on it, like they always do.

Criterion: What we asked for was midcore content - 4-player dungeons (so you don't have to try and round up 8 or 24 people) with variable paths, with increased difficulty something on the order of extreme/unreal-level content, that can be rerun over and over for loot, with a good rewards system including things like unique glamours and endgame loot. Basically, Mythic Plus from WoW, but without the cancerous key nonsense. Something that could reward raid-tier gear without the fake difficulty of trying to coordinate 7 other people. (And don't tell me that "they can't give out raid gear, raiders will complain"... they do it in WoW with Delves, and the raiders there don't care. Neither do people like Xenosys or Arthars, here.. in fact, they encourage the idea because it might serve as a gateway to raiding for more players). What we got was Dungeon You Can Sleepwalk Through Until You Get All the Story and the Glamour and Then Never Touch It Again.. and Dungeon (Ultimate) Which is Way Too Damn Hard for the Meager Rewards Offered. That's why we disliked Criterion. And if you noticed, they haven't annouced a Criterion Dungeon yet for DT, so.... I'm guessing they're going to... wait for it... give up on it, like they always do.

Chaotic? I barely even do Savage because it's hard to wrangle 7 competent people to get consistent clears. You want me to wait in PF for hours at a time, waiting to get 23 other competent people to clear this? No, I don't have that kind of time, thank you. The time sink issue is the problem with Chaotic. Can't wait for this to get abandoned, too. Yet another piece of content like Baldesion Arsenal or Delubrum Reginae Savage that you will only be able to clear if you are a streamer with an army of simps, or via a specialized Discord.

Who complained that DT was too hard? DT is barely passable as far as battle content. The difficulty is better, but the jobs are worse.

Hey, can you think of another expansion that was praised for its battle content, and yet disliked for its story? That's right, it was called Stormblood. Having good battle content only matters so much when your story experience sucks.

I do definitely agree with you that more features, such as the exploration zone and relic, should be available at expansion launch, or at least within a couple of weeks of it.

They try something one time, half-ass it, then when people complain, they give up. "We tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."

Originally Posted by Daralii

Don't forget that Yoshida's main takeaway from the Island Sanctuary feedback was that they "couldn't win" when trying to be "inventive" with non-raid content, so they were just going to stop.

THIS. This is what I mean when I say that they "tried nothing and are all out of ideas." They half-ass an idea, and then when they are rightly called out on it, they wimp out and just... stop even trying.

I can't see how ANYONE on that dev team played IS and thought "oh yeah, clip it and ship it, this is a banger." They knew it was trash, they just thought that disgusing it with dollhouse dress-up would somehow nullify the awful gameplay.

I think Yoshida has an extreme response to everything. This is the man who saw no other option than to blow up 1.0 - which was definitely the right call for that situation - but I think that mentality has filtered down through him into the dev team about everything. "It didn't work the first time? Destroy it or just never do it again." That's a bit... inflexible and unrealisitc. Not every decision needs to be "did it not work the first time? Then just throw it in the trash"