Thread: patch 7.2 or next expansion

Originally Posted by ovIm

that, unfortunately, has been based on a mistranslation from a gaming magazine. CS3's current plan is to give players a shift in combat encounter design in 7.2 (whatever that actually means has not been disclosed), with jobs being adjusted to that design paradigm on a later date, namely 8.0.
So, if the devs keep their promise, fights from the next patch onward could potentially feel very different to what players gotten used to since Shadowbringers. We shall see if they actually do that and if so, what that entails.

People are gonna be mad.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Island Sanctuary

Where do I even begin? Yoshida, in a rare example of terrible PR, widely overhyped what this was supposed to be. He outright stated the dev team was inspired by Animal Crossing, a statement that needed to be walked back several times due to how ridiculously misleading it was. It's truly baffling what they were trying to accomplish here. Who asked for what essentially began a glorified retainer venture? The devs kept insisting this was lifestyle content despite it having less depth than Farmville, a facebook mobile game that released in 2009. Even basic functions you'd expect from lifestyle content is absent. What you feed your animals doesn't matter, nothing you build has any real impact on the "farm" itself, tending to things like crops amounts to clicking on them once a day. Mentioning Island Sanctuary in even the same breath as Animal Crossing is, frankly, absurd.

Nobody, and I do mean nobody wanted anything remotely like what Island Sanctuary ended up being. Even those who did wind up enjoying it to some extent. Complaints were rampant because they didn't listen to a single thing people wanted from this sort of content. A piece of content so shallow they deliberately had to neuter their own gathering system just to give it some form of artificial longevity.

Don't forget that Yoshida's main takeaway from the Island Sanctuary feedback was that they "couldn't win" when trying to be "inventive" with non-raid content, so they were just going to stop.

Originally Posted by Daralii

Don't forget that Yoshida's main takeaway from the Island Sanctuary feedback was that they "couldn't win" when trying to be "inventive" with non-raid content, so they were just going to stop.

Do you have a source for this?

If they legitimately designed spreadsheet sanctuary and their main takeaway from the poor reception to it was that they just can't win, that would be slightly troubling.

Originally Posted by USAFJerrySo

The problem is that the devs are listening to the loud minority, thus why the ff14 in a state the way it is today. People who actually complained that the MSQ for Dawntrail is too difficult are the people I'd want to avoid in real life because they already shown me that they quite at a sight of a little challenge, a quitter, & a lazy human that wants everything to be handed to them.

I'm not fully against the people who think the msq quests are too hard, I've spoken with a few of them and they eventually learned what to do, they were just very slow at figuring out mechanics and frustrated at the time. This I think is an issue with how the game has been designed for years. Move in, move out, 5 business days to get out of an AOE, no real incentive to actually learn how to play the game. Dawntrail dungeons are a good step in the right direction to fix that issue, slightly harder mechanics to get people to learn but not too hard so people lose hope on ever clearing it.

Cosmic Exploration and Occult Crescent do look fun and are something I'll do however I don't see it as saving FF or anything remotely like it.

SE has repeatedly mentioned not wanting to "Overwhelm" the player which results in lockouts, content drip feed, oversimplification, job homogenisation. Until they change that mindset the game will never change, how do they even expect to do a job overhaul in 8.0 with that mindset ?

If I want to join a group that farms content multiple hours daily then let me, don't go "We don't want to overwhelm you" and choose for me. It's not like ultimate's dont require huge commitment and pressure yet they exist

[QUOTE=ForteNightshade;6667188]Except they weren't given what they asked for but instead a shallow or poorly executed variation of it. Hence the continued complains. You even go on to partially acknowledge that only to promptly gloss over it. So let's review

I actually agree with you on many of these points. Criterion and variant, although they are fun don't have much replay value due to the reward structure, I think it was a good form of content, it just needs to be improved on. I've always knew island sanctuary wasn't going to be content I would like but I just held my tongue since a lot of people seemed interested in it, there are a lot of things that could have been done differently and yoshi p did oversell it, but I'm wondering if it was originally planned out that way but changed over time due to limitations they ran into during testing, I can't really speak on that end because I don't know what happened during the testing phase. I think it was good to try it out but not at the expense of an expansion zone. As for only having raiding content at the beginning of an expansion, I'm a firm believer that expansion zones should be released at expansion released and then continue the standard patch cycle where it would be updated in patch x.2.

I've got my own personal issues with the game but I'm seeing it slowly move in a better direction. My issue is that raid content is frontloaded, but the game does absolutely nothing to prepare players for raid content. There's normal content, a big gap, then extreme and from extreme it's easy to move into savage and ultimate. What I think should be done is add hard dungeons and trials back into the game with interesting mechanics that could prepare players for extreme content, make it part of duty finder which I think was an issue with criterion, and make the reward structure on par with msq roulette and expert dungeons. I could speak on how FFXIV has an issue with currency bloat but that's a subject for another time.

Sorry I couldn't add the whole post, it was too long after my reply and the system would let me reply.

Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

We get upset when they implement something in a half-assed way, or just stop trying, which this team is notorious for. CSIII has a reputation for implementing something, half-assing it so that the feature is either unfinished or clearly still in beta phase, and then taking forever to get it functional - the Glamour Dresser is a perfect example of this. All these promises were made, not the least of which was that it won't eat your items. When it was released, what did it do ?Oh yeah... it ate your items. Oopsie. Then it also ended up having less plates and storage room than they claimed it would.

The backend for the dresser is also a mess, as we know from their story about how putting a dresser in a house crashed the test server. They just gave up on the idea of players not needing to go to an inn or GC barracks after that.