Thread: patch 7.2 or next expansion

Originally Posted by Daralii

Don't forget that Yoshida's main takeaway from the Island Sanctuary feedback was that they "couldn't win" when trying to be "inventive" with non-raid content, so they were just going to stop.

Do you have a source for this?

If they legitimately designed spreadsheet sanctuary and their main takeaway from the poor reception to it was that they just can't win, that would be slightly troubling.

[QUOTE=ForteNightshade;6667188]Except they weren't given what they asked for but instead a shallow or poorly executed variation of it. Hence the continued complains. You even go on to partially acknowledge that only to promptly gloss over it. So let's review

I actually agree with you on many of these points. Criterion and variant, although they are fun don't have much replay value due to the reward structure, I think it was a good form of content, it just needs to be improved on. I've always knew island sanctuary wasn't going to be content I would like but I just held my tongue since a lot of people seemed interested in it, there are a lot of things that could have been done differently and yoshi p did oversell it, but I'm wondering if it was originally planned out that way but changed over time due to limitations they ran into during testing, I can't really speak on that end because I don't know what happened during the testing phase. I think it was good to try it out but not at the expense of an expansion zone. As for only having raiding content at the beginning of an expansion, I'm a firm believer that expansion zones should be released at expansion released and then continue the standard patch cycle where it would be updated in patch x.2.

I've got my own personal issues with the game but I'm seeing it slowly move in a better direction. My issue is that raid content is frontloaded, but the game does absolutely nothing to prepare players for raid content. There's normal content, a big gap, then extreme and from extreme it's easy to move into savage and ultimate. What I think should be done is add hard dungeons and trials back into the game with interesting mechanics that could prepare players for extreme content, make it part of duty finder which I think was an issue with criterion, and make the reward structure on par with msq roulette and expert dungeons. I could speak on how FFXIV has an issue with currency bloat but that's a subject for another time.

Sorry I couldn't add the whole post, it was too long after my reply and the system would let me reply.

[QUOTE=Xapapetsu;6667399]

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except they weren't given what they asked for but instead a shallow or poorly executed variation of it. Hence the continued complains. You even go on to partially acknowledge that only to promptly gloss over it. So let's review

I actually agree with you on many of these points. Criterion and variant, although they are fun don't have much replay value due to the reward structure, I think it was a good form of content, it just needs to be improved on. I've always knew island sanctuary wasn't going to be content I would like but I just held my tongue since a lot of people seemed interested in it, there are a lot of things that could have been done differently and yoshi p did oversell it, but I'm wondering if it was originally planned out that way but changed over time due to limitations they ran into during testing, I can't really speak on that end because I don't know what happened during the testing phase. I think it was good to try it out but not at the expense of an expansion zone. As for only having raiding content at the beginning of an expansion, I'm a firm believer that expansion zones should be released at expansion released and then continue the standard patch cycle where it would be updated in patch x.2.

I've got my own personal issues with the game but I'm seeing it slowly move in a better direction. My issue is that raid content is frontloaded, but the game does absolutely nothing to prepare players for raid content. There's normal content, a big gap, then extreme and from extreme it's easy to move into savage and ultimate. What I think should be done is add hard dungeons and trials back into the game with interesting mechanics that could prepare players for extreme content, make it part of duty finder which I think was an issue with criterion, and make the reward structure on par with msq roulette and expert dungeons. I could speak on how FFXIV has an issue with currency bloat but that's a subject for another time.

Sorry I couldn't add the whole post, it was too long after my reply and the system would let me reply.

EDIT I actually agree with you on almost all of this. I VERY MUCH agree with you on the frontloaded raiding and difficulty spike of the game going from normal, to ex, to savage. I think honestly we're not that far off from each other, you just see me as 'complaining just to complain', when I actually want some of the same things you do in this post.

I think its perfect and honestly the devs should just do their own thing. Its that perfect MMO that comes once in a lifetime.
You think you want content, but then you get overwhelmed. And people get stressed out and anxious.

Please Yoshi P on behalf of the community! Dont change the formula or be pressured to try new things.
If they dont like it. They can leave

[QUOTE=Auro_Seldaris;6667419]

Originally Posted by Xapapetsu

EDIT I actually agree with you on almost all of this. I VERY MUCH agree with you on the frontloaded raiding and difficulty spike of the game going from normal, to ex, to savage. I think honestly we're not that far off from each other, you just see me as 'complaining just to complain', when I actually want some of the same things you do in this post.

I don't particularly think you're complaining just to complain, same with many other people, you have valid concerns and actually explain why you're upset with why the game is how it is. The issue is that the people who do complain just to complain lump themselves in with you. When it comes to raid gear for criterion I'd actually like to see that, for current bis, it doesn't have to be 730 gear to outclass savage gear, it could be 725 gear to give that extra boost for anyone struggling with the savage tier. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, plus the only reason to work towards bis is to run ultimates, if you're not doing that bis is practically worthless.

Originally Posted by Xapapetsu

patch 7.2 is doing things right.

Starve a prisoner, and he'll thank you and kiss your feet when you throw him an overcooked, unsalted steak