FF14 player count reached the lowest point in 4 years. We lost 75% of the playerbase.

[TaleraRistain]

The "majority of players doesnt use steam" argument makes no sense, that's exactly how you make statistics. You use a sample, except if you have evidence that players on other platforms play the game differently, if that is the case, feel free to prove me wrong.

You have a biased sample. You're trying to make assumptions about the entire playerbase but only look at numbers for one segment of the player base. If you wanted a truly unbiased sample, you would need a sample of players from each available platform.

What you guys are doing is if I said I interviewed 1000 people in New York and they all agreed on X, but I only talked to people who lived in one specific area.

[Supersnow845]

You have a biased sample. You're trying to make assumptions about the entire playerbase but only look at numbers for one segment of the player base. If you wanted a truly unbiased sample, you would need a sample of players from each available platform.

What you guys are doing is if I said I interviewed 1000 people in New York and they all agreed on X, but I only talked to people who lived in one specific area.

What is it about steam players that you believe is more or less likely to act significantly different to the rest of the playerbase

It’s more likely interviewing 1000 people for x then dismissing that as a biased sample because the 1000 people are far more likely to have a living grandma than grandpa but without providing a reason as to why the sample being biased on the grandma/grandpa front makes it biased on x

[TaleraRistain]

What is it about steam players that you believe is more or less likely to act significantly different to the rest of the playerbase

It’s more likely interviewing 1000 people for x then dismissing that as a biased sample because the 1000 people are far more likely to have a living grandma than grandpa but without providing a reason as to why the sample being biased on the grandma/grandpa front makes it biased on x

We know the Japanese player base is predominantly console, for one. The console numbers could be completely different because of regional behaviors. All that can really be assessed from looking at Steam numbers are the behaviors of those who use the Steam platform. And that has gone down after they started making us tie our accounts to our Steam accounts. So it's an even smaller amount of players to base behavior for the entire player base on now. Not to mention XIV is on XBox, so you have two consoles adding to those numbers.

[Clockworks]

We know the Japanese player base is predominantly console, for one. The console numbers could be completely different because of regional behaviors. All that can really be assessed from looking at Steam numbers are the behaviors of those who use the Steam platform. And that has gone down after they started making us tie our accounts to our Steam accounts. So it's an even smaller amount of players to base behavior for the entire player base on now. Not to mention XIV is on XBox, so you have two consoles adding to those numbers.

So you are still willing to die on that hill that people on console or standalone somehow are different human beings with different behaviors and ways of playing games

Interesting.

But no, that's not how samples work, you dont need statistics from every platform to have a sample of the game's health.

[TaleraRistain]

So you are still willing to die on that hill that people on console or standalone somehow are different human beings with different behaviors and ways of playing games

Except we already know there's a difference between JP and NA. JP tend to do the content more out of respect for the devs putting it out. So they try things more than NA does. NA tends to do only what they like more. I don't know what JP subbing habits are, but NA has a large tendency to unsub until the next thing they want to do comes along. If Steam's usage has a regional majority, then you may see behavior in those players that is different and could skew the data.

[Dante131]

Except we already know there's a difference between JP and NA. JP tend to do the content more out of respect for the devs putting it out. So they try things more than NA does. NA tends to do only what they like more. I don't know what JP subbing habits are, but NA has a large tendency to unsub until the next thing they want to do comes along. If Steam's usage has a regional majority, then you may see behavior in those players that is different and could skew the data.

they are respecting it so hard that red dots appear on the screen just jokeing.

[Supersnow845]

We know the Japanese player base is predominantly console, for one. The console numbers could be completely different because of regional behaviors. All that can really be assessed from looking at Steam numbers are the behaviors of those who use the Steam platform. And that has gone down after they started making us tie our accounts to our Steam accounts. So it's an even smaller amount of players to base behavior for the entire player base on now. Not to mention XIV is on XBox, so you have two consoles adding to those numbers.

Yes so the game is on 4 platforms. So in order for a sample of one of the 4 platforms to not be broadly relevant there needs to be a defining feature or features that means that said platform is likely to act significantly differently to another platforms players. There is no defining feature that separates steam players

Or are we going to start segmenting PC players by what GPU they play on

[Clockworks]

You have a biased sample. You're trying to make assumptions about the entire playerbase but only look at numbers for one segment of the player base. If you wanted a truly unbiased sample, you would need a sample of players from each available platform.

What you guys are doing is if I said I interviewed 1000 people in New York and they all agreed on X, but I only talked to people who lived in one specific area.

Yeah because its a very common fact that steam players are different types of human beings than console players or standalone players. (/s)

Please explain to me how console players or standalone players would be any more different than steam players ? I'll wait for your response.