Cut the ability to queue as a group in Frontline

[Sunhwapark]

built in duty support for shot calling

Would be cool, plus a better way to inform players of nodes or something to do with the map so that it's easier/clearer to see that kind of information.

[Wilford111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

[Aravell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

That 1st video is 100% a skill issue. I didn't see any charm, guard break or fear, people just didn't guard and just tried to run out while being dragged around by DRKs. The 2nd video at least has a charm from the DNC to stop people from running.

Also, people have stopped really using this strat in JP FL because it has become a lot more ineffective as people learn how to play around it. It's mostly just SAM/SMN spam on JP nowadays.

[IceEyes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps
This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever.

You are burying yourself by providing such "proofs".

First vid, u play greedy and didnt try preventy heal even yourself, so are you drowning in AoE spam. No guards. No fears. No any counterplay, like spreading to not be pulled. The death of all the players is solely the fault of the players themselves, who are licking the ice afk.

Second vid, same situation, but afk zerg was charmed by aggressive red team what playing with full bh.

This happens even without premades, when many players who are interested in winning, fun are thrown into one team. With premades this happens more often and more effectively. Moreover, most solo players (like me) happily follow premades and because of this, instead of four people with full BH you get half of the red team.

If one team consistently pushing two teams without any resistance, then yes, it is skill issue. Because no one wants to fight the winner.

This is not a problem with premades, but with the overall low quality player pool. And in general. The best way to fight premade is to make your own premade, this has already been mentioned more than once in all topics.

[Mawlzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I think the primary difference on JP is that you don't have 1/3 of your team doing everything possible to avoid combat. In that sense it's a skill issue, but that isn't going to change on NA/EU while roulette XP is offered and all players are thrown in the same pool.

Smaller teams, matchmaking, auto-kick and bans for lethargic players. The matches will only improve when everyone on the field wants to be there.

[JuicyHeals]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

People In JP actually try in PvP so it's not really a problem there.

[Divinemights]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I don't need a premade team to kill a tunnel visioned target.
I simply put 5-4-3-2-1-Circle Macro on you and you will be dead
The way you stand is a perfect dummy target for Blue team to use that macro on you (First Video)
Are you going to ask to ban marking next?

[Mistress_Irika]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

Japan's games are way different than NA's. Everyone moves as a unit there making games seems more strategic like a chess game. Here? We just create deathballs at objectives whenever we can. Trust me when I say that you don't want some of the Japan players to invade the NA lobbies.

As for your videos, well...they seem too common for me. 1st clip, I think your alliance focused too much on ice and didn't focus on defending themselves. Very common. If this was Onsal I wouldn't be surprised if I catch at least one or 2 people trying to capture the oovoo in a ninja like manner in the middle of the fight. 2nd clip was clear as day. A team of no buffs against a team of BH4s. Seeing how these seems to be from the same game and how Flames have started it's no wonder they decided to let your team get farmed while they try and take ice from behind.

[AllenThyl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

Yeah, skill issue. Skill in Frontline is more than just the mere ability to press your buttons. Proper positioning is also a skill, Your team went to lick the ice, while the red team was incoming at full force. Half of your team was also skirmishing with blue on the other side. Second, you didn't even really position correctly, when you ran back, you ran into the wall, meaning you didn't even have a proper corridor to retreat despite being a ranged class. Further, knowing when to engage and when to run away is also a skill needed in Frontline. Your team just stood there, continued licking ice, instead of disengaging. The second clip is even worse when it comes to that, because the enemy team was fed with battle high (which increases damage and healing), while your team had basically none, and everyone played like they were the ones with the battle high and number advantage. A team with battle high disadvantage has to play more defensive and choose their battles even more carefully. And that is all on top of your personal mistakes, while your team was already being routed and you were at half health, you STILL spend 2 gcds to damage the ice, instead of healing (didn't even press the button for recuperate) up or using your Astro dash to escape.

Frontline is first and foremost a strategic map mode, not a skirmish simulator. The most important skill is the ability to stay alive, because dead people don't deal dps, don't heal, can't apply pressure on the enemy team, can't cap or defend nodes. You can't be making one strategic mistake after another on top of making gameplay mistakes in battle and then expect to come out of it winning.

[CamuiKushi]

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I PVP on Japan and it's far far more savage than this. Those examples are very basic engagements by JP standards.