Cut the ability to queue as a group in Frontline

[AllenThyl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

Yeah, skill issue. Skill in Frontline is more than just the mere ability to press your buttons. Proper positioning is also a skill, Your team went to lick the ice, while the red team was incoming at full force. Half of your team was also skirmishing with blue on the other side. Second, you didn't even really position correctly, when you ran back, you ran into the wall, meaning you didn't even have a proper corridor to retreat despite being a ranged class. Further, knowing when to engage and when to run away is also a skill needed in Frontline. Your team just stood there, continued licking ice, instead of disengaging. The second clip is even worse when it comes to that, because the enemy team was fed with battle high (which increases damage and healing), while your team had basically none, and everyone played like they were the ones with the battle high and number advantage. A team with battle high disadvantage has to play more defensive and choose their battles even more carefully. And that is all on top of your personal mistakes, while your team was already being routed and you were at half health, you STILL spend 2 gcds to damage the ice, instead of healing (didn't even press the button for recuperate) up or using your Astro dash to escape.

Frontline is first and foremost a strategic map mode, not a skirmish simulator. The most important skill is the ability to stay alive, because dead people don't deal dps, don't heal, can't apply pressure on the enemy team, can't cap or defend nodes. You can't be making one strategic mistake after another on top of making gameplay mistakes in battle and then expect to come out of it winning.

[CamuiKushi]

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I PVP on Japan and it's far far more savage than this. Those examples are very basic engagements by JP standards.

[Exmo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

It doesn't really look like the enemy team in each video was necessarily a premade. In the first video they're pretty scattered, but it looks like they just finished off their crystal so probably had LBs and cooldowns available, so looks like a standard rush. The second video can be attributed to their BH.

[Atreus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I'm glad everyone else tore those videos apart. Like I watched your whole group do nothing in response to what was happening to them in that first video. One reaper took zero action. No purify, guard, and died with full MP. The other took minor, lethargic action. What the hell is your bard even doing up that close, of course he died. As for you, yeah you were casting Malefic while getting dunked on.

This is pretty normal for Frontline players, but please let's ALL keep talking like premades are ruining the high tier competition.

[TofuLove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

What is blatantly unacceptable to me is coming to forums to complain about gameplay "problems" and not looking at your own gameplay to see faults. Others have said this, it is 100% a skill issue. It absolutely is. Are these people a "premade" or are they just...better because they are pvping? Somebody has to be better in a pvp game.

Truthfully, how much time do you need to react to drk intiating?
You can see them moving towards you with the group behind them from the beginning of that vid, and I swear I would be able to see them from a mile away. Why is your map not open?
You should always be looking at how enemy might potentially engage you.

As a healer rather than spamming malefic, i expected to see macrocosmos or lady thrown out or even a benefic.
Stop being so focussed on the ice... it's painful to watch.

[Mawlzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

Credit to your team member in the 2nd video for marking the enemy DRKs. Unfortunately it appeared nobody was taking advantage of that information.

If you're on a team of randos and face two DRK-led premades, you're going to lose. Particularly on Shatter. I've always felt that indicates a flaw in the mode. The fundamental problem is that the entry-level PvP mode in this game matches n00bs with highly-skilled and experienced players, with the nature of LB burst magnifying the skill difference.

If matchmaking is not introduced, the best path forward is to cull those who are not interested in trying. Unfortunately, on Shatter in particular, I suspect this will be a palliative rather than a panacea. Maybe the promised role actions will provide a means to blunt the efficacy of coordinated bursts. Lol. Yeah, right.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else[...]

Those were quite painful to watch. Your alliance were tunnel visioning for an ice. Your alliance simply.... stood there obediently. Waiting for something at all hitting them. And by the time that happens, it's usually already too late. Those players who died with 7000+ MP? Yeah... they have no self preservation. Not even guards seen in first vid.

You also died within 8 seconds since after you receive the first damage (from megaflare) and did absolutely nothing to persevere yourself. No guard. No recuperate. No Asp Benefic. No macro.

Second vid feels too short since it doesn't show what happens before they jumped at your alliance but from the looks of it, DRK has been marked. Meaning there's at least 1 person in your alliance who's aware of their threat and made it easier for your alliance to spot them.... to no avail, because amongst those who have died, this piece of information just does not register to them... or rather, glossed over. It's quite likely they pulled off the same 'strat' at your alliance and... what a surprise, it worked.

Just another day in Frontline... apparently, lol. That's how terrible the player quality is.

Kill enemy & don't die = Get BH = Kills/survive easier = Lick ice faster = More Ice for you = Less Ice for them. It's not rocket science. This is skill issue.

[Divinemights]

I think it is fair for any individual that complains about premade need to post their own gameplay video first
This is such a waste of time

[AllenThyl]

Keep the gaslighting coming guys. I can maybe see if you guys thought it was a skill issue in the first video (it wasn't), but as for the second video I know you are arguing in bad faith.

???
So when you look at your own clips, you see absolutely nothing that you could have done to at least stay alive yourself? All the stuff that people mentioned like having your map open, or guarding, or dashing away, you don't consider any of these to have been the better thing to do compared to damaging the ice? You also don't think that your team was out of position?

I think it is fair for any individual that complains about premade need to post their own gameplay video first
This is such a waste of time

No need, the videos will all look like this, because this kind of barely paying attention is the main mode of operation for most players in Frontline. Shatter especially brings out people's autopilot. The command I issue the most in Shatter is "clear out all enemies first" when we have a crystal on the ramp (with enemies incoming), because even with number, resupply and positional advantage, way too many people don't want to engage in PvP combat in a PvP mode. I consider it a very good game with high chance of winning if less than 10 people on my team mindlessly attack the ice in the aforementioned situation.

[JokoCGN]

still FL is getting worse and worse. it's not about pvp maps/modes over all, it's about players interaction / skill issue. u'd be happy if ur team have about 10/24 peeps doing PvP at all and not just being afk for exp or running 'round like headless chickens not able to use their like 5 buttons.
but let's be real, never gonna change.