Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

[Rinoa_353]

We would if it came out looking like the Burj Khalifa and had a couple of ferraris parked outside instead of just looking like a fantasy crystal tower. And Graha came out draped in Gucci and Balenciaga clothes.

Imagine if graha was standing outside like this waiting for you.

Irrelevant when the circumstances were far different for each setting, G'raha had the existential threat of the Sin Eaters in a world with it's less advanced society than Eorzea for a century after arriving in the 1st that prevented expansion and technological advancement on a large scale. Alexandria on the other hand was living peacefully for centuries after their barrier was erected and allowed Everkeep to be built without an existential threat like the 1st had. The world before the Storm Surge was also advancing that led to the technological arms race for Electrope. It's why Alexandrians are pampered as a society, it was plain with their centuries long peace before the war Zoraal Ja created disturbed that. Alexandria being peaceful over the course of over four centuries prior to arriving to the Source would develop a society that places high emphasis on fashion, entertainment (The Arcadion) and more like irl western modern societies are. The Burj Khalifa looks more like the Crystal Tower than Everkeep and Sphene also didn't come out dressed like that too, so I dunno why you even brought this up???

[Ath192]

Irrelevant when the circumstances were far different for each setting, G'raha had the existential threat of the Sin Eaters in a world with it's less advanced society than Eorzea for a century after arriving in the 1st that prevented expansion and technological advancement on a large scale. Alexandria on the other hand was living peacefully for centuries after their barrier was erected and allowed Everkeep to be built without an existential threat like the 1st had. The world before the Storm Surge was also advancing that led to the technological arms race for Electrope. It's why Alexandrians are pampered as a society, it was plain with their centuries long peace before the war Zoraal Ja created disturbed that. Alexandria being peaceful over the course of over four centuries prior to arriving to the Source would develop a society that places high emphasis on fashion, entertainment (The Arcadion) and more like irl western modern societies are. The Burj Khalifa looks more like the Crystal Tower than Everkeep and Sphene also didn't come out dressed like that too, so I dunno why you even brought this up???

Idk why you wrote this giant paragraph. It has nothing to do with the circumstances and everything to do with the style of presentation. Modern real world and cyberpunk 2077 styles don’t fit the game.

[Daughterofdeath]

Idk why you wrote this giant paragraph. It has nothing to do with the circumstances and everything to do with the style of presentation. Modern real world and cyberpunk 2077 styles don’t fit the game.

Far to late with that including with food I mean pizza and hamburgers dont really belong either lol been way to late for that since mch and sage were added

[Mimilu]

Like others have said, Final Fantasy has had plenty of sci-fi representation in the past. Plus, once the concept of the world being split into different shards of existence was revealed, a lot of people were interested in seeing a modern or sci-fi shard.
What I think is the issue is how they implemented sci-fi/cyberpunk in DT. It just feels hollow to me, lacking the imagination of the likes of VI's dark, magitek distopia, VII's capitalist-and-consumerism fueled dieselpunk, VIII's urban fantasy with some futurism, or X's blending and stretching of fantasy and sci-fi. I think also try to mix that with IX's imagery and lore, which for the FF series was a return to the high fantasy settings after VII and VIII's more modern sci-fi settings, is just a weird blend. (ಠ_ರೃ) ~?

[Daughterofdeath]

Like others have said, Final Fantasy has had plenty of sci-fi representation in the past. Plus, once the concept of the world being split into different shards of existence was revealed, a lot of people were interested in seeing a modern or sci-fi shard.
What I think is the issue is how they implemented sci-fi/cyberpunk in DT. It just feels hollow to me, lacking the imagination of the likes of VI's dark, magitek distopia, VII's capitalist-and-consumerism fueled dieselpunk, VIII's urban fantasy with some futurism, or X's blending and stretching of fantasy and sci-fi. I think also try to mix that with IX's imagery and lore, which for the FF series was a return to the high fantasy settings after VII and VIII's more modern sci-fi settings, is just a weird blend. (ಠ_ರೃ) ~?

y lol thats already 95% of the game up to endwalker the only expansion we kinda can say didn't do it was shadowbringers but every other part of this game is 80% scifi lol its gone a bit far than just having it in the game its basicly the entire game at this point

[Mimilu]

[Wh]y lol[?] that[']s already 95% of the game up to endwalker[.] the only expansion we kinda can say didn't do it was shadowbringers but every other part of this game is 80% scifi lol[.] its gone a bit far[ther] than just having it in the game[,] it[']s [basically] the entire game at this point

And I think the inclusion of sci-fi in XIV has been decent. (─‿─)
The Allagan Empire is the usual cautionary tale of an ancient civilization who tried push the boundaries of control over nature and the human/humanoid spirit and technology and brought itself down by its own hubris.
Garlemald being the standard evil empire, driven to conquest by an underlying fear and paranoia over their lack of being able to control aether naturally in a world full of people that can, sublimating it as them being "savages".
Hell, I even enjoy the brevity the Loporits bring and didn't see any fault in Sharlayan creating a starship with their aid (I always assumed we were going to get a version of VIII's Ragnorok).
I just think DT's use of sci-fi felt hollow. Solution 9 and Alexandria just feel like they are just copying usual cyberpunk tropes without putting FF's usual creative spin on them.
I also think throwing in heavy inspiration for XI, which as I stated was the franchise's return to high fantasy, was tonally weird.
I think X might have been a better match to take inspiration from. Hell, I even think there are a lot of parallels that could have been made between Wok Lamat and Yuna's stories and the Endless and the Unsent. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

[Daughterofdeath]

And I think the inclusion of sci-fi in XIV has been decent. (─‿─)
The Allagan Empire is the usual cautionary tale of an ancient civilization who tried push the boundaries of control over nature and the human/humanoid spirit and technology and brought itself down by its own hubris.
Garlemald being the standard evil empire, driven to conquest by an underlying fear and paranoia over their lack of being able to control aether naturally in a world full of people that can, sublimating it as them being "savages".
Hell, I even enjoy the brevity the Loporits bring and didn't see any fault in Sharlayan creating a starship with their aid (I always assumed we were going to get a version of VIII's Ragnorok).
I just think DT's use of sci-fi felt hollow. Solution 9 and Alexandria just feel like they are just copying usual cyberpunk tropes without putting FF's usual creative spin on them.
I also think throwing in heavy inspiration for XI, which as I stated was the franchise's return to high fantasy, was tonally weird.
I think X might have been a better match to take inspiration from. Hell, I even think there are a lot of parallels that could have been made between Wok Lamat and Yuna's stories and the Endless and the Unsent. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

I think they have over done the sci-finess of the game with all the content and game amount being scfi and the lack of med-fantasy without sci-fi showing up the most we got on that is early heavensward which disappears after 58, and shadowbringers the rest of the game is sci-fi I think the sci-fi is so over done we could go through 3 expansions with no sci-fi in them and it would still have to much sci-fi in the game

[TaleraRistain]

Anything Allagan isn't what's being argued against mostly. It is well blended and it feels more like ancient magical tech than star trek. You could tell they thought about how the Allagan technology and derived magitek would fit into the world.

It's the recent introduction of pop culture scifi and minimalism that doesn't blend well into the games aesthetic. When you walked into Azys La it the theme was clearly lost ancient technology and both you as a person and your character were in awe and wonder of what was introduced, likewise it looked much more retro-futuristic.

Now a days you're literally walking into trashy cyberpunk with shien streetwear and if you listen close enough you can probably hear the NPCs hollering at you YO YO YO WASSA HOLMES, YA GOT SOME ECSTACY ON YOU? all while they breakdance and drink fourlokos. I wonder if some people literally can't tell the difference. Like maybe an Allagan orb really is the same aesthetic as a harley davidson chopper or a DJI style drone to them.

Emet did warn us.

"Expand your horizons. Go forth and seek discovery. Some of the civilizations in the reflections will surprise you."

[Themarvin]

It reflect where we are going to be with AI and more to it, and it is in many ways a scary view, the world alone today show quite a few of those things in DT. and also of the present world situations.

[Ath192]

Emet did warn us.

"Expand your horizons. Go forth and seek discovery. Some of the civilizations in the reflections will surprise you."

They didn't surprise me as much as disappoint me, but he did say that, not that it changes my opinion of good game design.