Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

[Rosenstrauch]

depending on your defination ff1-ff3 rlly didnt

Final Fantasy 1 has a tower where enemy encounters frequently feature robots, culminating in the Warriors of Light using a teleporter to access and orbital space station. The "secret boss" encounter in that area, on the bridge before you encounter Tiamat, is the WarMech/Death Machine, whose strongest attack was called "NUKE" in the original translation. The Death Machine is in FFXIV, by the by—it's a enemy mob in both Bozja and Garlemald.

Final Fantasy II has an entire sequence where you board the Dreadnought—an homage to the Death Star—with the intent to sabotage it from within. One of the neat things about it is that, while the GBA/PSP remake/compilation of I+II restyled the space station in FFI as a flying castle, FFII turned the Dreadnought into this behemoth, complete with anti-air batteries and a mechanical claw for seizing smaller airships.

Final Fantasy III... There's a submarine? There's an ancient, technologically advanced civilization? Most of the advanced stuff you see here is just crystalpunk, though.

And just for fun:

IV: The Tower of Babil is an interdimensional elevator whose interior is full on sci-fi. The Red Moon is literally a space station the size of a small planet, which you get to via a starship using the same tileset as the Tower of Babil for its interior. There's also the Tower of Zot, and this is the first Final Fantasy to interpret the Iron Giant enemies as gundam-esque machina. This game is also the origin of Alexander in the form of the Giant of Babil—a bipedal machina so enormous it can walk over mountains. The sequel also introduces the True Moon, which is an even more advanced space station able to eat planets.

V: There is an entire clockpunk civilization that seemingly predated the planet's sundering, as a significant portion of it wound up inside the Interdimensional Rift. This is notably also the origin of Omega, a series staple.

VI: May well be the original of the term "magitech", and is a major source of FFXIV's Garlean warmachina designs. The Ultima Weapon makes its first appearance here as a biomechanical monstrosity.

VII: Firmly Dieselpunk and sci-fi.

VIII: The Gardens. Esthar. The bloody Ragnarok. The Ultima Weapon makes its second appearance here, once more as a biomechanical monstrosity.

IX: Terra.

X: I heard you like football and water polo, so we combined them into a single sport where the field is a gigantic anti-gravity sphere of water. It's also a little surprising FFXIV hasn't mined FFX's remaster for its large number of warmachina. Notably, the sequel's final boss is Vegnagun, a warmachina whose ultimate attack is... well. Spoilers for FFX-2

XI: Haven't played, but I wouldn't be surprised.

XII: The literal first boss of the game is a one-man airship, looking even more sci-fi than anything in FFVI. The Empire as a whole loves its futuristic technology, and the game has not one, but two homages to the Death Star in the form of the Dreadnought Leviathan and the Sky Fortress Bahamut, the latter of which has you fighting the Emperor alongside a Darth Vader analog who betrays him in the game's final hour. (Funnily enough: II also had a Darth Vader analog, and both characters had a familial connection to someone in the player's party).

XIII: Pick an Allagan machina. Any Allagan machina. There's a 90% chance it came from this game, with the rest of Allag's aesthetic being stylized to match them when it wasn't cribbing stuff from FFIII instead. Though given that we call that aesthetic "crystalpunk" now, it's also technically sci-fi!

XV: I'll just let Gary Numan sum it up.

XVI: Haven't played, but I've heard Omega is in it in some capacity, and that's all I need to know.

[TaleraRistain]

Final Fantasy 1 has a tower where enemy encounters frequently feature robots, culminating in the Warriors of Light using a teleporter to access and orbital space station. The "secret boss" encounter in that area, on the bridge before you encounter Tiamat, is the WarMech/Death Machine, whose strongest attack was called "NUKE" in the original translation. The Death Machine is in FFXIV, by the by—it's a enemy mob in both Bozja and Garlemald.

Not to mention the very first game also had time travel.

[Brandr]

FFVI and FFVII are the most acclaimed titles, FFX started in a highly advance city, FFXV is one of the best sellers of the franchise.
The first final fantasy has a dungeon in outer space and time travel plot!
If anything, FFXIV doesn't have sci-fi enough.

If you guys were talking about you not liking sci-fi, that would be fine, it's ok to not enjoy something.

The whole franchise of Final Fantasy is built on being the ultimate fantastic story, where all kinds of fantasy settings can encompassed in a single anachronic world in every single game.

[Daughterofdeath]

FFVI and FFVII are the most acclaimed titles, FFX started in a highly advance city, FFXV is one of the best sellers of the franchise.
The first final fantasy has a dungeon in outer space and time travel plot!
If anything, FFXIV doesn't have sci-fi enough.

If you guys were talking about you not liking sci-fi, that would be fine, it's ok to not enjoy something.

The whole franchise of Final Fantasy is built on being the ultimate fantastic story, where all kinds of fantasy settings can encompassed in a single anachronic world in every single game.

we do sci-fi way to much in ffxiv "advance city" doesnt = sci-fi I mean midgard zanarken are advance to the fantasy terms but at most they were modernized, There is a difference of an advance city and gaint robots/space travel and alien nonsense


its that that I'm against "advance city sci-fi nonsense" im against it auto equaling machines and cyber teck nonsense its not creative its not even artistic. Atleast something like farscape or stargates "advance" sci-fi worlds sometimes showed one that was like all plant people or w/e even the bs avatar is sci-fi but respectable because it still had an aspect of fantasy

Plus you can do an advance civilaization that fits into fantasy that "is sorta sci-fi like the anicents in ff7.


If you want sci-fi okay lets do it but stop with the cybernetic and mechine/robot nonsense

[Arzalis]

Imo, the issue isn't necessarily that sci-fi exists, it's that the devs have kind of lost the plot in regards to it and are just putting out modern day clothes/technology/etc.

I'd agree that basically every Final Fantasy game has had sci-fi elements and it's a series staple, but none of the stuff we've gotten lately feels like it's actually from a Final Fantasy game. It's literally just modern irl stuff copy-pasted into FFXIV. It's all kind of lazy and there's really not any thematic consistency to it.

Basically: they're out of ideas in regards to the setting they built for the last decade or so and they don't care about any sort of consistency anymore. It's just "rule of cool" but overdone to the point that things are rarely even cool anymore.

[Azurarok]

Maybe we need more belts and zippers on these outfits

The belts lost in EW's gotta go somewhere right?

[Hallarem]

I think we should upgrade to modern ages in FFXIV. So everyone can enjoy it, openly. Also to start designing more cars and motorcycle models to replace things like chocobos and horses.
Eorzean highways and more.
So the club scene really explodes and they can start advertising modern clothes IRL too for extra money to design even more things within the formula.

People may not like it, but cash shop is the only way to properly support the company we love and adore, and have been for ages. Fake fans think knights and horses will win, but actual fans know that its a themepark and in a themepark anything goes, I think if they want to add something that didnt make sense before its their right, and we just have to take it and support it. Even discoballs and djs, Ul'dah should be a night club district, and there should be scooters on the street already.
Limsa should have fashion shows, and they should forget about wooden boats, where we could just have modern airships, spaceships and cars driving around. Limsa could be the spaceport, how cool would that be.

Mechas too, I think would be very cool, so we could fight in space. Something very good and surface, nothing too political because that can get very boring very fast. Easy bad vs good, so people dont have to think. Chasing modern trends is what will keep this game franchise alive, so I think the closer we chase things like Cyberpunk and much more, the better product we will have.

Remember to support with money whenever you can, because that is what matters and what will get us all smiling and having fun. Give them money and keep subbing

[Dorito_Burrito]

I think we should upgrade to modern ages in FFXIV. So everyone can enjoy it, openly. Also to start designing more cars and motorcycle models to replace things like chocobos and horses.
Eorzean highways and more.
So the club scene really explodes and they can start advertising modern clothes IRL too for extra money to design even more things within the formula.

People may not like it, but cash shop is the only way to properly support the company we love and adore, and have been for ages. Fake fans think knights and horses will win, but actual fans know that its a themepark and in a themepark anything goes, I think if they want to add something that didnt make sense before its their right, and we just have to take it and support it. Even discoballs and djs, Ul'dah should be a night club district, and there should be scooters on the street already.
Limsa should have fashion shows, and they should forget about wooden boats, where we could just have modern airships, spaceships and cars driving around. Limsa could be the spaceport, how cool would that be.

Mechas too, I think would be very cool, so we could fight in space. Something very good and surface, nothing too political because that can get very boring very fast. Easy bad vs good, so people dont have to think. Chasing modern trends is what will keep this game franchise alive, so I think the closer we chase things like Cyberpunk and much more, the better product we will have.

Remember to support with money whenever you can, because that is what matters and what will get us all smiling and having fun. Give them money and keep subbing

I'm having a hard time believing that nowadays someone would buy a game from a series as famous as Final Fantasy expecting it to be a straight-up medieval fantasy RPG. You've kinda brought your prolonged buyer's remorse-fueled meltdown on yourself.

[Ath192]

I'm having a hard time believing that nowadays someone would buy a game from a series as famous as Final Fantasy expecting it to be a straight-up medieval fantasy RPG. You've kinda brought your prolonged buyer's remorse-fueled meltdown on yourself.

I think there are games way more harmonious and congruent in their treatment. I mean look at the latest FF game, FFXVI was basically a medieval fantasy game and the "advanced" civilization they introduced fit relatively well aesthetically within the game. It wasn't all over the place and you didn't get captain kirk outfits or bunnies at a rave twerking in a space ship.

Say what you will but it was treated much more seriously and well implemented into a world. It didn't turn the whole game into a joke.

[Mawlzy]

I'm having a hard time believing that nowadays someone would buy a game from a series as famous as Final Fantasy expecting it to be a straight-up medieval fantasy RPG. You've kinda brought your prolonged buyer's remorse-fueled meltdown on yourself.

That's fair. Equally, the science fiction themes, and clothes in particular, are completely unimaginative. Solution 9 is Tokyo with more purple.