Ninja is unfun and has too many issues, please address.

[Bureda]

I just want to start by saying that I know the devs are working very hard and they aren't totally neglecting us. Keep it up!

I am a big Ninja enjoyer and it's the only job that's keeping me playing this game, but after so many seasons it's getting tedious now.

Nin is the only melee job that doesn't have kill pressure outside of LB. Every other Melee job does this. It's not very assassin, is it?

Skill animations for Nin are too long, having to wait for Hyosho, or Meisui or Naruto gang signs to finish before you do literally anything is not fun. Not very agile, is it?

Stealth doesn't work properly, not only are you not able to move faster, an enemy can just back pedal and they will out maneuverer you but you can also by taken out of stealth by literally anything. So it's a game of chance. Not very in control, is it?

It's the only melee job in the game that has to make a offensive or defensive decision, every other one gets both at the same time. Going defensive isn't worth it because it's too weak. Getting punished for no reason, for what?

In summary, when you play Nin you don't feel in control: skill animations are too long, easily blocked, stealth is a game of chance. The only styles you play now is either you stun bot or you LB bot. When I want to use an ability, I should be able to use it, not be minus 3 abilities because one takes too long and the other can be cancelled because a random projectile followed hit me off screen that I didn't see, and to even use that skill I have to waste another skill.

I hope PvP gets the attention and love it deserves. Thanks.

[Mawlzy]

I just want to start by saying that I know the devs are working very hard and they aren't totally neglecting us. Keep it up!

I am a big Ninja enjoyer and it's the only job that's keeping me playing this game, but after so many seasons it's getting tedious now.

Nin is the only melee job that doesn't have kill pressure outside of LB. Every other Melee job does this. It's not very assassin, is it?

Skill animations for Nin are too long, having to wait for Hyosho, or Meisui or Naruto gang signs to finish before you do literally anything is not fun. Not very agile, is it?

Stealth doesn't work properly, not only are you not able to move faster, an enemy can just back pedal and they will out maneuverer you but you can also by taken out of stealth by literally anything. So it's a game of chance. Not very in control, is it?

It's the only melee job in the game that has to make a offensive or defensive decision, every other one gets both at the same time. Going defensive isn't worth it because it's too weak. Getting punished for no reason, for what?

In summary, when you play Nin you don't feel in control: skill animations are too long, easily blocked, stealth is a game of chance. The only styles you play now is either you stun bot or you LB bot. When I want to use an ability, I should be able to use it, not be minus 3 abilities because one takes too long and the other can be cancelled because a random projectile followed hit me off screen that I didn't see, and to even use that skill I have to waste another skill.

I hope PvP gets the attention and love it deserves. Thanks.

Interesting. When I'm playing tank/melee, NIN is one of the jobs I fear.

[Bureda]

Interesting. When I'm playing tank/melee, NIN is one of the jobs I fear.

If a Nin is looking good, then that means the team already won for them.

[Valence]

Having been on the receiving end of Nin for a while since 7.1 especially, I have the total opposite experience and I find it to be one of the most oppressive DPS jobs. I do know that they have to pick between defensives and offensives (in the other hand there is defensives baked into other abilities than ninjutsu), but the addition of things like Zeppo, which is probably a good thing, also means that the job is capable of double stunning around purify, and dump so much damage on you that keep going and going and going followed by a rain of bunshined shuriken. On top of it, Seiton is the most broken LB in existence and it has no right sitting on a 90s duration.

Now though I do hope they fix the inconveniences and usability behind the job for people actually playing and enjoying it, for sure. But in terms of power and oppression, this job drives me mad when the gambles behind pay off, and my main issue with it lie with Raiju and Seiton.

[OliviaLugria]

Does bushin not increase your damage and give you a defensive shield?

Does sukuchi not allow you to escape but also deliver a powerful attack?

Does doton not give you a defensive buff while also dealing good damage and also having a repeatable CC effect?

Does it. It have two stuns that you can use back to back or bait out purifies and then use again?

Like, it has pure damage options, pure defensive options, and mixture options. I think the design is wonderful and allows for a wide variety of roles depending on team comp.

[Bureda]

Does bushin not increase your damage and give you a defensive shield?

Does sukuchi not allow you to escape but also deliver a powerful attack?

Does doton not give you a defensive buff while also dealing good damage and also having a repeatable CC effect?

Does it. It have two stuns that you can use back to back or bait out purifies and then use again?

Like, it has pure damage options, pure defensive options, and mixture options. I think the design is wonderful and allows for a wide variety of roles depending on team comp.

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Bunshin - not being an instant damage buff and an only one time shield, instead you have to act on it, compare that to monk getting a shield every time it dashes with the most damaging base combo in the game.
Doton - on a job that's missing max HP and isn't tanky by default as other melee, having to go to the spot you want to use it, putting you vulnerable, for an assassin.
Shukuchi - having to use it as an escape means you can't hit someone hard with it and if you were to use it in a high octane environment, chances are with all that AOE you'll have a hard time getting in the 'Assassinate'.
Raiju - Animation got buffed as it should have, animation was taking too long and even now you can be punished with it. Lee Sin kick syndrome.
Huton - Shield get instantly used and you cannot benefit from the buff.

MNK now is ranged with just superior stats and animations. DRG one again, just more straight up damage. SAM, just the king of melee. At high rank those jobs just perform better because they have abilities you can 'Just use'. Crazy concept. I know.

[Divinemights]

Does bushin not increase your damage and give you a defensive shield?

Does sukuchi not allow you to escape but also deliver a powerful attack?

Does doton not give you a defensive buff while also dealing good damage and also having a repeatable CC effect?

Does it. It have two stuns that you can use back to back or bait out purifies and then use again?

Like, it has pure damage options, pure defensive options, and mixture options. I think the design is wonderful and allows for a wide variety of roles depending on team comp.

For of all, any action/spell force you to choose between offense and defense is not a good action/spell
Bushin is only the end result of tune down PvP system for casual playing.
Also, Bushin sync best with ambush, defense reduction only good for 3s when you stuck in the ambush animation.
The real defense reduction is from doton, but that is laughable for a meele compares to DRG, SAM, RPR, and Reaper.

How is doton going to help when now Ranges domnate both Frontline and Crystal Conflict?
I also prefer one controllable stun rather 2 consecutive stuns when most of time 2nd stun usually useless because of Purify
Beside, i think it is fair to ask Shukuchi ts function as what tooltip describes

[Sunhwapark]

I also prefer one controllable stun rather 2 consecutive stuns when most of time 2nd stun usually useless because of Purify

If you spam the Raiju attacks back to back mindlessly, then yeah of course your 2nd stun is going to be considered useless.
Purify is only 3 seconds of protection from CC, so even after they cleanse the first attack there is still an opportunity to land the second since it will force them to follow-up with a Guard(unless SAM/BRD) or face tank more CC.

[Valence]

For of all, any action/spell force you to choose between offense and defense is not a good action/spell
Bushin is only the end result of tune down PvP system for casual playing.
Also, Bushin sync best with ambush, defense reduction only good for 3s when you stuck in the ambush animation.
The real defense reduction is from doton, but that is laughable for a meele compares to DRG, SAM, RPR, and Reaper.

How is doton going to help when now Ranges domnate both Frontline and Crystal Conflict?
I also prefer one controllable stun rather 2 consecutive stuns when most of time 2nd stun usually useless because of Purify
Beside, i think it is fair to ask Shukuchi ts function as what tooltip describes

Range dominate in CC? What is this timeline you're playing in? I want in...

[Atreus]

Is this thread a Frontline opinion or a CC one, 'cause that's rather important.