Should SE scale high end content difficulty towards the usage of SIM ?

[Kazuke_Miso]

The fact that using a sim is the optimal way to play the game shows just how bad modern raiding is.

[BigCheez]

The fact that using a sim is the optimal way to play the game shows just how bad modern raiding is.

Not really. The ability to practice a later segment of something in isolation without having to go through the whole thing to get there is always advantageous. This applies to literally anything, not just raiding. It's no different from a musician practising a passage from the end of a difficult piece of music on its own.

[Valence]

Not really. The ability to practice a later segment of something in isolation without having to go through the whole thing to get there is always advantageous. This applies to literally anything, not just raiding. It's no different from a musician practising a passage from the end of a difficult piece of music on its own.

Then the question becomes, why are checkpoints not an option?

( the answer is pretty obvious )

[BigCheez]

Then the question becomes, why are checkpoints not an option?

( the answer is pretty obvious )

I don't understand what this has to do with the point that I made.

Being able to practice part of something in isolation does not detract from the difficulty or consistency required to complete it from start to finish in one attempt. Adding a checkpoint would mean that you don't need to complete it in one attempt.

[Collin_Sky]

I don't understand what this has to do with the point that I made.

Being able to practice part of something in isolation does not detract from the difficulty or consistency required to complete it from start to finish in one attempt. Adding a checkpoint would mean that you don't need to complete it in one attempt.

He means a checkpoint to practice a phase in isolation.
That said, my response to this would be that it's pointless and actually harmful. You will have different resources in a checkpoint pull than you would in a proper pull, so you can't really practice things and probably actually are more likely to ingrain bad habits/expectations of what you can and can't do when you swap from checkpoints to full run.

[Valence]

I don't understand what this has to do with the point that I made.

Being able to practice part of something in isolation does not detract from the difficulty or consistency required to complete it from start to finish in one attempt. Adding a checkpoint would mean that you don't need to complete it in one attempt.

This was a jab at SE's design, not at your point.
The lack of checkpoints in a conscious design choice they do to artificially increase lifespan of progression and the time people invest into running the content (this was the obvious answer).

[BigCheez]

This was a jab at SE's design, not at your point.
The lack of checkpoints in a conscious design choice they do to artificially increase lifespan of progression and the time people invest into running the content (this was the obvious answer).

I'm really not a fan of the way that people attach the word "artificial" to words when they want to turn something that isn't inherently negative into a negative. "Artificial difficulty" usually translates to "difficult in a way that I don't like and can't explain", yet people throw the term around as if it's some kind of objective standard.

"Artificial difficulty" is the mating call of the scrub. It reminds me of the people who get filtered in fighting games because lows and throws are "cheap".

Games aren't a naturally occurring phenomenon. They're intentionally designed experiences. Game design in its entirety is contrived. That's why it's called game design. All difficulty is artificial. Ultimate raids requiring the party to build enough consistency to make it through the whole gauntlet in a single attempt is the design philosophy of the content.

[CaedemSanguis]

The fact that using a sim is the optimal way to play the game shows just how bad modern raiding is.

Yeah, FF14 is "dance" type mechanic, Wow for instance is more "gameplay" type of mechanic

[Burmecia]

I've been asking myself if SE should scale high end content (savage & ultimate) with the usage of SIM in mind ?

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this discussion again?

[Router]

The fact that using a sim is the optimal way to play the game shows just how bad modern raiding is.

Cheating is always the "optimal" way to play anything