I thought the solo duties were frustrating...

[Arohk]

I don't get the hate for clickers. I know a lot of clickers that raid in ultimates with little issues. To me the aliens are controller players, but it looks to work great for them too so who am I to tell them they're doing it wrong?

Clicking is bad in alot of ways:

1# it takes longer to reach a skill with your mouse than using a button, this is really bad when you have to reach an ability quickly, like a dash. (try knockback canceling by clicking,)
2# it is distracting, because you have to look at your curser and where to click, while looking at your curser, you can't look at the fight.
3# you can not move with your mouse while clicking, this is escpecialy bad in FFXIV because your character turns to the boss when using skills.

I have had people in my statics that were raiding with a controller, because they played on PS4, it works quite well, but takes a lot of time to get used to i guess.
But clickers are at the most disadvantage of all three types.

[Doozerpindan]

I guess I'll have to try a controller.

And I am pretty sure I have Dyspraxia on top of having autism. Planning to try and get an official diagnosis.

[AllenThyl]

I don't get the hate for clickers. I know a lot of clickers that raid in ultimates with little issues. To me the aliens are controller players, but it looks to work great for them too so who am I to tell them they're doing it wrong?

But that's the thing, it doesn't matter, as long as it works. But in this case, it obviously doesn't work. Quite frankly, the normal difficulty doesn't expect much of people, and there are still plenty of ways to mitigate all that. But sorry OP, we are all playing the same game version, and having the normal stuff be even less involved than it already is, starts to undermine why the game even exists in the first place for the majority of players. People with disabilities aren't lesser humans, and accessibility options are important, but the game itself cannot cater down so low that there stops being any discernible gameplay. A shooter game requires shooting, a racing game requires driving, and this one requires moving and using skills. If one cannot do it, maybe one should rethink if that's actually the right activity to spend one's limited time with.

[Mawlzy]

But that's the thing, it doesn't matter, as long as it works. But in this case, it obviously doesn't work. Quite frankly, the normal difficulty doesn't expect much of people, and there are still plenty of ways to mitigate all that. But sorry OP, we are all playing the same game version, and having the normal stuff be even less involved than it already is, starts to undermine why the game even exists in the first place for the majority of players. People with disabilities aren't lesser humans, and accessibility options are important, but the game itself cannot cater down so low that there stops being any discernible gameplay. A shooter game requires shooting, a racing game requires driving, and this one requires moving and using skills. If one cannot do it, maybe one should rethink if that's actually the right activity to spend one's limited time with.

I'd suggest part of the issue many people are facing is that PvE has become increasingly more difficult. I understand that at some level it's desirable that it does, but the usual argument that people get better simply by playing the game is IMO misleading. Sure, one gets to learn a greater array of mechanics, markers, and skills. But with the DDR philosophy getting faster every expansion, the skill floor is simply overtaking some players.

In a vacuum I guess this is neither good nor bad. But the practical upshot for an increasing portion of the player base is that they have invested hundreds of hours into the game, successfully clearing base content, and now they cannot. I think in a game known (until recently) for its compelling story, this is pretty brutal for those getting left behind.

[Voryn]

I know, but I am also focusing on my hotbars to make sure I'm clicking the right moves, and it's very difficult to focus on multiple things for me. It's always an issue, but the DT dungeons after you hit 100, the ones for the expert roulette, are way too frantic for me.

I wonder if you’re also accidentally making things too hard by spreading yourself too thin mentally. There’s no time limit to kill the boss so you’re not obligated to hit the boss properly (or even at all) while doing mechanics that take a lot of focus for you. Even when there are time limits in more difficult raids, it’s normal for people to not worry about hitting the boss perfectly during a mechanic until after they’re gotten more comfortable doing it.

If you’re playing healer you may actually need to press buttons during scary mechanics, in which case you can try to figure out how to make this easier. Maybe you can have a couple important heals on easily accessible keys so you can press them without too much effort while there’s a mechanic happening.

[CidHeiral]

In a vacuum I guess this is neither good nor bad. But the practical upshot for an increasing portion of the player base is that they have invested hundreds of hours into the game, successfully clearing base content, and now they cannot. I think in a game known (until recently) for its compelling story, this is pretty brutal for those getting left behind.

None of the MSQ is barricaded behind difficult content. Even if someone finds normal difficulty too difficult for whatever reason they could utilize the Trust system and do nothing but dodge AOEs while the NPCs kill the boss and still clear. If that bar is still too high then they are in a very, very niche cohort that I don't think it's fair to expect the devs to design around. Which isn't to say those people are worth less or they shouldn't still try, get help from other players, etc, but the "you must be this tall to ride" bar has to be somewhere. Clearly where it was previously wasn't acceptable to a majority of the player base.

[innis31]

The confusion mechanic really blows during that one DT dungeon that's the only mechanic that has made me rage quit a dungeon.

[Mawlzy]

None of the MSQ is barricaded behind difficult content. Even if someone finds normal difficulty too difficult for whatever reason they could utilize the Trust system and do nothing but dodge AOEs while the NPCs kill the boss and still clear. If that bar is still too high then they are in a very, very niche cohort that I don't think it's fair to expect the devs to design around. Which isn't to say those people are worth less or they shouldn't still try, get help from other players, etc, but the "you must be this tall to ride" bar has to be somewhere. Clearly where it was previously wasn't acceptable to a majority of the player base.

At the risk of cross-threading, it's the solo duties that are the big problem because there is no way of helping friends through them.

As to where the "this tall to ride" bar should be, I'd suggest it is getting boosted artificially high because of the people the director/producer listens to. I'm very uncomfortable with any scenario in which people who breezed through Stormblood now find themselves stuck.

[Supersnow845]

At the risk of cross-threading, it's the solo duties that are the big problem because there is no way of helping friends through them.

As to where the "this tall to ride" bar should be, I'd suggest it is getting boosted artificially high because of the people the director/producer listens to. I'm very uncomfortable with any scenario in which people who breezed through Stormblood now find themselves stuck.

Solo duties also have “very easy” mode. At that point your natural regen is overtaking damage dealt even if you chase AOE’s and the NPC’s can solo the fight. You literally have to try to die in very easy mode

And the bar is only getting returned to what it was basically before EW, EW is the anomaly here that asked literally zero from the player. You also have to balance the fact that EW’s casual content was almost universally derided for being too easy. Is it worth blocking the small cohort of people who are blocked from EW->DT difficulty to increase satisfaction amongst other players?

[JudgeRAW]

... And they are, but, damn, the level 100 DT dungeons can all go die in a fire.

I think it's got to the point now where it's just *too* mechanics-focused. I've never got as frustrated with the mechanics of the dungeons from any previous x-pac as I have been with DT. I love the story, characters, quests, and so on for this expansion, but the boss fights are just awful.

I saw in another thread, somebody said that the each boss fight was a dance, and I think that's a fantastic way to describe them. The issue is, there are people, like myself, who cannot dance, or, cannot dance very well.

Be it physical or mental health issues, or just not having the time or inclination to spend your entire life mastering every single fight with every single class, there are legitimate reasons to not have the boss fights be so insanely mechanics-heavy.

I already find it hard to focus on multiple things, but I try, and I have really come to hate the mechanics where the aoe marker flashes on the ground for an instant then you get hit and die, because you literally have no time to move. I need to focus on where I am, where the boss is, where the players are, where any adds etc are, and it's just too much at this point. I simply do not have the ability to keep up.

You're level 100 its time to learn how to play the game already.