Re: Regarding the Use of Third-Party Programs and Player Safety

[Chaincat]

I hope Square doesn’t make the mistake of going after the Dalamud team or Github as they had nothing to do with this issue. The real problem started with the Blacklist overhaul, and legal threats won’t fix it. The devs created this mess, so they should be the ones to resolve it. Even if mods and plugins are banned, bad actors will still find ways to exploit the game.

Pushing for anti-cheat software is also a terrible idea. As someone who’s played MMOs for years, I’ve seen the backlash and issues these systems cause. When TERA (NA) tried to crack down on plugins and added XIGNCODE anti-cheat, there were players couldn’t even launch the game because it was so invasive. The outrage led to massive player losses and even the removal of their community manager.

ArenaNet made a similar mistake when Guild Wars 2 included spyware that scanned every file on users’ machines, breaking EU regulations. (Source: https://www.pcgamesn.com/guild-wars-...pyware-banwave)

And let’s not forget most South Korean F2P MMOs. Even with anti-cheat, they’re still full of bots and cheaters.

anecdotally, my experience with Elsword (a f2p korean mmo with an anticheat), they also tend to be plagued with hackers who can steal your account without even talking to you apparently. Hoping that one is just on elsword but god, that caused a ton of headache for me...

[Kuroka]

Anticheat in this game would cause half the playerbase to quit.
There are so many people who play this game as second life simulator for Yoshi to do something like that. Man will do anything for subs.

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

>All cheaters and modders

Bold of you to assume, some people just don't want kernel level anti cheat on their systems.

[mallleable]

For security reasons, I would imagine they would be better off quietly rolling out changes to character IDs as announcing any change or specific changes would be an open invitation to to develop work arounds to keep these plugins working. This situation sucks.

[EunJuAnna]

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

if SE added in features the community has begged for for years, a lot of the mods/plugins would be unnecessary. again, this all comes back to SE, every time. they don't give the game the love it deserves and this situation is a consequence of that.

being mad at other players will not fix anything. being mad at SE though??? also will not fix anything as they don't care lol. it's a lose lose no matter what.

[Kuroka]

Thats true but still it would be more use if ppl leave. Just go if you dont like it instead of taking a crowbar and change the game on your end. If really enough leave for it SE will do something, or you find something else.

Just modding the game and accept it as is wont help a bit.

Im playing 10 years now and ive never EVER needed or wanted a mod, or any kind of cheat. Just play the game or dont play it.

[Collin_Sky]

Thats true but still it would be more use if ppl leave. Just go if you dont like it instead of taking a crowbar and change the game on your end. If really enough leave for it SE will do something, or you find something else.

Just modding the game and accept it as is wont help a bit.

Im playing 10 years now and ive never EVER needed or wanted a mod, or any kind of cheat. Just play the game or dont play it.

What an incredibly narrow minded attitude lol

[EunJuAnna]

Thats true but still it would be more use if ppl leave. Just go if you dont like it instead of taking a crowbar and change the game on your end. If really enough leave for it SE will do something, or you find something else.

Just modding the game and accept it as is wont help a bit.

Im playing 10 years now and ive never EVER needed or wanted a mod, or any kind of cheat. Just play the game or dont play it.

k enjoy ur even longer queue times

[Fatch38]

k enjoy ur even longer queue times

funny because back in ARR never waited more than 10 min to join a dungeon as a dps (was instant as a tank and under 5 min as a healer), so we can tell it won't affect queues

[Minarisweet]

>All cheaters and modders

Bold of you to assume, some people just don't want kernel level anti cheat on their systems.

A lot of people.