Re: Regarding the Use of Third-Party Programs and Player Safety

[Absurdity]

Just watched the youtube video and wow...dude that made this is clearly a psychopath and all because someone undercut him on the market.

This game attracts some very "special" people.
They've been here for a long time, being able to make and use plugins like this just aids their already unhinged behaviour.

[PercibelTheren]

Just watched the youtube video and wow...dude that made this is clearly a psychopath and all because someone undercut him on the market.

After a guy made his own data crawler, scoring system and Google doc because healers were complaining about the state of the role, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

[Kaurhz]

After a guy made his own data crawler, scoring system and Google doc because healers were complaining about the state of the role, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT LOOOL

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

After a guy made his own data crawler, scoring system and Google doc because healers were complaining about the state of the role, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

I also recall that when they got called out for their antics they doubled down and added some sentence that says "Hahahlol if you're upset, I make this because y'all should've just shut up and suck it up ;')" (paraphrased) before that spreadsheet was finally taken down. I do vaguely recall there's somebody archived the spreadsheet for future evidence though.

Only crazy people would act like that, and people are 'okay' to potentially giving these type of people more power? Smh.

[Valet]

You know, having read most of what was said here I'm surprised people cling to either of these arguments :

"We don't need an anti-cheat; it would solve nothing - The problem lies in the infrastructure"

"We need an anti-cheat; it would solve everything - The problem isn't necessarily related to the infrastructure"

Any concerns in regard to losing players and whatnot is irrelevant; it's bound to happen regardless at some point in time. FFXI is still up and running and its playerbase is a fraction of what it once was.

Speaking of which, FFXI also has a big "cheating" / botting problem to this day - Should we start worrying about losing players for this game as well, or would it be better to address things in a proper manner once and for all ?

I personally think they should both revise their infrastructure & implement an anti-cheat. At the very least, it would mitigate issues and filter undesirables.

Cheats, exploits, mods & etc. will always be a thing one way or another, everybody knows this. But what's the harm of trying to implement more "long-term" fixes to recurring issues ?

[veeika]

I'm too lazy to @ any of the people discussing this, but I think people who downplay stalking in this game underestimate the kind of person one has to be to become a stalker. It's an obsessive type of person who will go to many lengths to contact you or anyone you are in contact with to either get through to you or to ruin your reputation depending on the stalker type. The game having its very generous free trial kind of makes that easy - they can easily create as many free alts as they wish if the victim blocks the stalker.

I understand it's hard to empathise when you haven't experienced stalking yourself. I haven't had any issues in my years as I mostly keep to myself in this game, but I have dealt with a stalker "on the internet" who used to be a very close friend once. Shit creeps up on you, it's really not as simple as one might think. I'd recommend listening to people talking about their experiences before you criticize them for being sensitive or whatever. However as someone above pointed out, you're not going to see too much on the forums about FF stalking because that would be exposing themselves. There's many stories out there. It can heavily impact your life.

My sub ends tonight so signing off as soon as I showed up lmao Square messed up badly and I just wish they acknowledged their own fault in this situation. Stalkers have and will exist, but this update just made it all too easy to get player information. I don't think many online games implemented a blacklist in this disastrous way.

[AshtonCrowe]

but I have dealt with a stalker "on the internet" who used to be a very close friend once

. . But was your stalker cute tho?

/s

[veeika]

. . But was your stalker cute tho?

/s

They were pretty cute.

(It was a long time ago and not as severe as many, I can laugh about it now )

[Wyssahtyn]

man, i forgot about spreadsheet guy. have to imagine if the stalker plugin were around back then they would have used it to connect posters' alts and logs too.

[Kazuke_Miso]

How much do people want to bet that they'll fumble the fix and this problem will still exist after today's maint.