Re: Regarding the Use of Third-Party Programs and Player Safety

[VanillaWafer]

If they wanted to fight bots they could apply a number of server side heuristics to prevent them from teleporting around, from getting under the map, from speed hacking. Same thing as the blacklisting issue though, it would increase the server costs and evidently they are content to let people believe that nothing can be done, rather than outright tell us "it would cost us money so fu"

Well, one thing you gotta remember is that the whole teleporting around has been used by staff in preparation for Fan Fests. Does that excuse bots from using this channel to level characters? Of course not. My concern would be that if they decide to implement something more instant, then that would likely allow people with malicious intent to figure it out and deploy their bots to use that, too.

Or maybe that's already happened and people who are on the surface level just don't know that, yet.

[BigCheez]

If they wanted to fight bots they could apply a number of server side heuristics to prevent them from teleporting around, from getting under the map, from speed hacking. Same thing as the blacklisting issue though, it would increase the server costs and evidently they are content to let people believe that nothing can be done, rather than outright tell us "it would cost us money so fu"

I'm not talking about those bots. I mean the ridiculous number of players botting things like diadem/firmament, and general crafting/gathering, and HoH for the accursed hoard achievements, or fully automating their rotations in raid content.

I don't think people realise how much these plugins can do or how many people are using them.

[Daralii]

It would deal with the rampant botting and cheating though, but that's a separate conversation.

WoW's had custom anticheat from day 1 and it's never even impeded bots.

[BigCheez]

WoW's had custom anticheat from day 1 and it's never even impeded bots.

That isn't true.

Bots in WoW are banned incredibly frequently. They make more money than it costs to simply buy new accounts and start botting again, so there is a constant stream of bot accounts. Automation and botting among the playerbase is pretty much unheard of because players don't want to have the accounts that they've worked on for years banned.

FFXIV has the same problem in that there is a comparable amount of RMT botting to WoW, but botting and automation is also incredibly common among players because SE don't do anything about it.

[Collin_Sky]

Just add an anticheat in 8.0 we need it at this rate.

Anticheat in this game would cause half the playerbase to quit.
There are so many people who play this game as second life simulator for Yoshi to do something like that. Man will do anything for subs.

[VerdeLuck]

Anticheat in this game would cause half the playerbase to quit.
There are so many people who play this game as second life simulator for Yoshi to do something like that. Man will do anything for subs.

I would rather people quit because their ERP mods don't work or they can't parse random people in their casual roulettes than have SE keep playing whack a mole with increasingly disruptive cheats and tools designed to harass players.

[Kuroka]

Anticheat in this game would cause half the playerbase to quit.
There are so many people who play this game as second life simulator for Yoshi to do something like that. Man will do anything for subs.

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

>All cheaters and modders

Bold of you to assume, some people just don't want kernel level anti cheat on their systems.

[Minarisweet]

>All cheaters and modders

Bold of you to assume, some people just don't want kernel level anti cheat on their systems.

A lot of people.

[Wired-Lain]

Fine, that half can quit. all Cheaters and modders. its against the rules, no matter how much you wanna normalize it.

And ppl kept saying "nah third party clients are fine" lol
No, they are not and SE needs to find a way to stop it.

Maybe its just me but I think playercount is sort of maybe kind of an important thing to want to retain in your massively multiplayer online game.