Can we bring back freedom of speech?

[Zakuyia]

All jokes I think there needs to be a better way to describe free speech vs hate speech where the line is drawn for both sides cause if some giving you advice u feel the neef to report i believe you should recieve a harsh punishment.

[CidHeiral]

If you review the terms of service for this game, it feels like almost anything can get you banned:

Profanity: Bannable
Politics: Bannable (unless it’s LGBTQ-related)
Offending someone for any reason: Bannable

This has reached a point where I’ve stopped participating in in-game chats altogether. I haven’t actively spoken in FFXIV since the Stormblood expansion because both the community and the terms of service have changed so drastically.

If you feel shackled by the ToS that says more about you than the ToS.

[StouterTaru]

The concept of free speech is independent of the first amendment. One is an inalienable right, and the other is part of a document saying that the government can't take away that right.

Sounds pretty alienable if a video game company can just take it away

But seriously, a 4chan MMO isn't a viable business model. Most people that complain about free speech just want to inflict their toxic behavior on others and for it to be socially acceptable. The normies don't want to pay to hang out with a bunch of jerks, and it's no fun for the jerks if there aren't any normies to aggravate

[Voryn]

This has reached a point where I’ve stopped participating in in-game chats altogether.
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For me, it’s simply not worth the risk of having a casual conversation when someone could jeopardize my account over something they personally dislike.
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I’m tired of treating other players like NPCs, and constantly walking on eggshells to avoid offending someone.
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I’m simply asking for the ability to talk like a normal human being in 2025 without fearing for my account.

I’m a little intrigued by how you feel your casual conversations and normal human behaviour have had a high enough probability to bring up sensitive topics around internet strangers that you feel you just have to stop chatting altogether to keep your account safe.

I believe in absolutely free speech. If people say something that upsets me, part of free speech is that I can say what I want back to them. This is, of course, outrageous in online communities because they generally operate under the principle that they can say whatever they want, and you must quietly listen. If you do say something back then they will call a GM, or slap a report button.

If you’ve been in online communities you may have realized you can’t really reason with someone who’s being a jerk. It’s unfortunately not like real life where the average person is a not as weird. If you’re being harassed you might as well report them unless you want to waste energy typing, and if it’s just them bringing up a topic you don’t like then you might as well just ignore them (or consider reporting them if the topic is REALLY unreasonable to randomly chat about in a game). We can’t really convince random people on the internet to be reasonable.

[Dante131]

Sounds pretty alienable if a video game company can just take it away

But seriously, a 4chan MMO isn't a viable business model. Most people that complain about free speech just want to inflict their toxic behavior on others and for it to be socially acceptable. The normies don't want to pay to hang out with a bunch of jerks, and it's no fun for the jerks if there aren't any normies to aggravate

can you please kindly explain, how asking politely for something small like putting up a tank stance is toxic ? Because as i stated already people can report you for that and its already happened. People dont want to pay for shut them from communicating aswell. Had a day of only dungeon / ali raid grinds on another job well the chat was empty the whole day i dont know why...

[StouterTaru]

can you please kindly explain, how asking politely for something small like putting up a tank stance is toxic ? Because as i stated already people can report you for that and its already happened. People dont want to pay for shut them from communicating aswell. Had a day of only dungeon / ali raid grinds on another job well the chat was empty the whole day i dont know why...

You can literally report anyone in the game for anything, and a GM might follow up by asking the other party for their side of events before taking any action

It sounds like you're self-censoring because you believe an urban legend started by a troll or liar. People aren't chatty in instances because they do them for their weekly grind. FC/LS are where people chat

[Voryn]

can you please kindly explain, how asking politely for something small like putting up a tank stance is toxic ? Because as i stated already people can report you for that and its already happened.

In the rules’ faq, it actually says directly you’re allowed to politely ask things of people, and uses the example of tank stance. If you got reported and it went as far as getting a penalty then I’d want to ask about how it got that far. I explain mechanics to people too, but haven’t gotten into GM jail.

Expressing your wishes in the form of a request, as in the following example, does not constitute a violation.

"I'm getting attacked by the enemies, can you put on your stance?"

Under the section of Nuisance Behaviour -> Expressions that compel a playing style

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

[Dante131]

You can literally report anyone in the game for anything, and a GM might follow up by asking the other party for their side of events before taking any action

It sounds like you're self-censoring because you believe an urban legend started by a troll or liar. People aren't chatty in instances because they do them for their weekly grind. FC/LS are where people chat

so i am an urban legend now ? but you ofc are free to deny it since i have no screenshot or something as proof. But you actually cant deny that before the change people been more chatty in party chat aswell. Like in stormblood people been chatty in every dungeon i entered and begin of shadowbringers aswell. Nowdays you will not get a hallo anymore

[Dante131]

In the rules’ faq, it actually says directly you’re allowed to politely ask things of people, and uses the example of tank stance. If you got reported and it went as far as getting a penalty then I’d want to ask about how it got that far. I explain mechanics to people too, but haven’t gotten into GM jail.



Under the section of Nuisance Behaviour -> Expressions that compel a playing style

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

thats great for you btw nobody talks like "I'm getting attacked by the enemies, can you put on your stance?" most will as the tank for stance which people did and probably somebody read it aggresivly ? You know that text messages might tend to have another tone of the actual meaning. me in particular got in jail not really with consequence for explaining a tank swap in an ex trial which people somehow got offended by since then ill never explain stuff again again as in my priv posts since i do not have evidance you are ofc free to not believe me and just expect i insulted somebody been rude or whatever reason might come into your head.

[StouterTaru]

so i am an urban legend now ? but you ofc are free to deny it since i have no screenshot or something as proof. But you actually cant deny that before the change people been more chatty in party chat aswell. Like in stormblood people been chatty in every dungeon i entered and begin of shadowbringers aswell. Nowdays you will not get a hallo anymore

The urban legend is "I was banned for asking someone to put up their tank stance"

Someone was annoyed by something you did and reported it as harassment. A GM snatched you up to ask for your side, and that was it