Can we bring back freedom of speech?

[ExcellusUltimus]

I edited my comment because I used an example OP wasn't able to follow, they misunderstood my point and began responding aggressively. I've removed the example to make it clearer that apples are not oranges.

You replied directly to my post and said that recruiting for a Trump guild was equivalent to recruiting for the Hitler Youth. You're now backpedaling. You were wise to edit your comment because any normal person would not have viewed what you wrote favorably.

[Exmo]

You replied directly to my post and said that recruiting for a Trump guild was equivalent to recruiting for the Hitler Youth. You're now backpedaling. You were wise to edit your comment because any normal person would not have viewed what you wrote favorably.

I didn't quote you and I didn't say that. That's how you interpreted my post, so like I said I edited my post to make my point clearer.

[Dante131]

If you are having a civilized discussion the moderators are not going to take action, as long as both parties involved were in it

If you one-sidedly bring up a topic, get asked to stop, and continue, thats when they will absolutely enforce the rules

That would be an ideal world, but unfortunately, it isn’t the reality. For instance, I was in a trial and took the time to explain some mechanics, including pointing out that a specific role would always receive a certain mechanic and how to handle it. Apparently, someone in that role took offense and reported me. As you can imagine, I ended up having a discussion in the game’s "jail," or else I wouldn’t even know about the report.

No, I wasn’t harsh or calling anyone out specifically I was simply explaining the mechanics. Yet, it seems that even providing helpful information can be deemed reportable. And then people wonder why no one explains anything anymore.

I understand that the rules are intentionally vague to allow some flexibility, but after that experience, I don’t even bother to say hello in chat anymore.

I can clearly see why so many others have adopted the same approach, and based on what I’ve read in various threads, this seems to be a common experience for many players. Ofc i dont have any screenshots so you probably will not believe me which is okay.

Cheers

[Gunz_Zbestest]

You replied directly to my post and said that recruiting for a Trump guild was equivalent to recruiting for the Hitler Youth. You're now backpedaling. You were wise to edit your comment because any normal person would not have viewed what you wrote favorably.

Woah woah woah, no one said anything about Elon Musk preforming a Hitler salute at Trumps inauguration that may or may not have inspired some youths to think it was ok to normalize a gesture like that.
Even a free speech absolutist like you wouldn't agree with complete free speech if it upsets you. Just like your reply, you don't like misinformation which would also fall under "free speech" if people are "just saying".

[Gunz_Zbestest]

Also you know what? This game is extremely lenient about speech. To cite your example. Even if someone made let's say an Oathkeepers guild. A GM would likely make you change the name and still keep the free company. They would then become, Oatkeepers. Farmers if you will, who lead a quiet life tending to the fields.

[DPZ2]

Conflating "[The] Congress [of the United States of America] shall make no law ..." with Terms of Service for a Japanese-based MMORPG is a foolish game that you cannot win.

[ExcellusUltimus]

Woah woah woah, no one said anything about Elon Musk preforming a Hitler salute at Trumps inauguration that may or may not have inspired some youths to think it was ok to normalize a gesture like that.
Even a free speech absolutist like you wouldn't agree with complete free speech if it upsets you. Just like your reply, you don't like misinformation which would also fall under "free speech" if people are "just saying".

I believe in absolutely free speech. If people say something that upsets me, part of free speech is that I can say what I want back to them. This is, of course, outrageous in online communities because they generally operate under the principle that they can say whatever they want, and you must quietly listen. If you do say something back then they will call a GM, or slap a report button, or do anything in their power to censor your speech, because only their speech is valid.

This is dominant culture on propaganda platforms such as Reddit. It would be nice for Square Enix to not allow a similar thing to take hold in their game, but it has, both in game, and game-adjacent in discords, twitch streams, and other forms of media.

[ExcellusUltimus]

Conflating "[The] Congress [of the United States of America] shall make no law ..." with Terms of Service for a Japanese-based MMORPG is a foolish game that you cannot win.

The concept of free speech is independent of the first amendment. One is an inalienable right, and the other is part of a document saying that the government can't take away that right. You have conflated the two, and this conflation is a common "gotcha" far-left talking point. Sadly divorced from reality and perhaps more accurately described as a strawman.

[Arohk]

This has reached a point where I’ve stopped participating in in-game chats altogether. I haven’t actively spoken in FFXIV since the Stormblood expansion because both the community and the terms of service have changed so drastically.

this paired with the fragile Ego's of most players is really toxic.

you can't tell them if they do somethng wrong
you can't give adivce
you can't tell them do do something better

or they feel offended in their infallibility.

[Zakuyia]

cant see anything about hitler though ...

Didn't think id see hitler pop up on forums ima have to add this to my bingo card lol