4.5 month patch release is NOT a problem

**BigCheez** · 01-23-2025 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

5min weekly Custom Deliveries for the mount.
16min daily Expert roulette.
20min daily Frontline for the PvP Series rewards.
There were more FATE rewards, Orchestrions and TT cards to farm.
Hunts can also be farmed for the new rewards.
Many people went to farm the new maps for the new rewards such as figmental coffers.
New extreme trial to farm for the mount. 8.3 hours, roughly, excluding wipes and prog, and most people won't do that all at once.
Some people will still do M4 and savage reclears.
Any other unfinished content.

And of course there are other sub-patches that follow the .1 patch, such as .11 with the Ultimate and .15 with the Chaotic raid.
If they have too much content, they could feel overwhelmed and stressed, a feeling other MMORPGs have created in the past.
That's another part of what made it off-putting in the older style of designing an MMORPG. Grind for hours and hours and hours and it be actually required. There are games notorious for this still, and many people avoid them due to it.
The ones not on these forums, casually enjoying the game as they always have.

None of that content was added in 7.1. You're talking about 7.15 content now, which was added a month later meaning that people were already long since finished with their 1 hour per week drip feed from 7.1.

If you want to have an honest conversation about 7.15 then this is what we actually had to do:

1 Hildebrand quest (10 mins on patch day)
Custom deliveries (2 mins per week)
Daily frontline (20 mins per day)
Maps (1 hour per week)

Again, it's clearly just not enough to keep someone interested in a game that they're paying a monthly fee to play.

To the other points that you tried to slip in:

No one is doing daily expert roulettes or reclearing M4S. That hasn't been relevant for months and even when it was relevant, the vast majority just do 3 hunt trains to cap tomes and then reclear the raid tier for a combined 2 hours per week.

Bicolour gemstone rewards can be bought on the marketboard. There's no reason to spam FATEs.

The 1 new hunt reward cost 3k nuts and there was nothing else to spend them on. Most people were already capped and bought it outright when it was added. There was no content to engage with.

You could also farm the new ex trial but most people will just wait and do it later when it's faster due to ilvl increase and you can actually buy the mount with totems. It's kind of a waste of time to do it now.

Similarly, most people aren't doing chaotic and ultimate on release. You can just buy the rewards from chaotic and the large party size makes it painful to prog/farm in PF and a large part of the playerbase doesn't engage with ultimate beyond the disappointing race on release.

What other unfinished content? There was so little to do during Endwalker that everyone ran out of other unfinished content years ago. Even most of the people who started playing during Shb have run out of old content to go back to.

No one is stressed and overwhelmed by there being too much optional content that they can choose to engage with or ignore at their leisure.

**Chasingstars** · 01-23-2025 02:42 AM

One of the main things is that in retrospect, the game has lots of content to do. But that is if your first starting out and are not cutscene skipping and are not buying a story skip. Especially if doing the side content aside from the msq. The thing is, its a drought if your at the current patch, the top of the mountain. Only thing to do is either:
A) Unsub and do something else.
B) Make an alt to re-experience all of the content again.
C) Idle around and become bored

This is why there can be a disconnect between players that are caught up and those that are catching up. If your still catching up, you are not experiencing the drought and you might possibly believe that those who are caught-up are just acting entitled.

**Jeeqbit** · 01-23-2025 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by BigCheez

None of that content was added in 7.1.

It was, because I was reading from the patch notes. By custom delivery, I meant for the orange scrip mount, not the new custom delivery added in 7.15.

Again, it's clearly just not enough to keep someone interested in a game that they're paying a monthly fee to play.

Well alright then. As I said previously, content is always designed to be done in small bits of 5-20mins so you can do a pick-and-mix. Doubt it will change, so either you like it or don't tbh.

No one is doing daily expert roulettes or reclearing M4S.

Except the people that are.

Bicolour gemstone rewards can be bought on the marketboard. There's no reason to spam FATEs.

Could. Also, not everyone is rich.

The 1 new hunt reward cost 3k nuts and there was nothing else to spend them on.

Gear augments for alt jobs. I do this in addition to the alliance raid.

You could also farm the new ex trial but most people will just wait and do it later when it's faster due to ilvl increase

So they don't do the content, then complain there is no content, got it. Also, if it's done later, then it's "doing old content", which you were saying people don't do.

What other unfinished content?

I really do not believe most people have fully 100%'d the game and are waiting for more. Good for the people who have I guess?

**BigCheez** · 01-23-2025 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It was, because I was reading from the patch notes.

Then you were reading the 7.15 patch notes, not the 7.1 patch notes. The content I listed in my first post was from 7.1. The content in your post was all from 7.15.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Well alright then. As I said previously, content is always designed to be done in small bits of 5-20mins so you can do a pick-and-mix. Doubt it will change, so either you like it or don't tbh.

I'm fine with content being designed such that you can leave after 20 minutes. I'm not fine with content that is completely finished or doesn't allow you to keep playing after 5-20 minutes.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Except the people that are.

Who? The single moms with 8 children dangling from each arm?

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Could. Also, not everyone is rich.

They aren't expensive.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Gear augments for alt jobs. I do this in addition to the alliance raid.

Sure, but we're so far into the gear cycle that they aren't relevant any more.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

So they don't do the content, then complain there is no content, got it. Also, if it's done later, then it's "doing old content", which you were saying people don't do.

Yes, most people go back and do the ex trials a bit later when it's faster and easier. It takes a day or two and then there's nothing to do again. Unfortunately, it's a drop in the ocean of there simply not being enough to do.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I really do not believe most people have fully 100%'d the game and are waiting for more. Good for the people who have I guess?

I don't believe most people intend to fully 100% the game. Pretending that people can't be bored unless they've collected 20k accursed hoard is asinine.

**Jeeqbit** · 01-23-2025 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by BigCheez

Then you were reading the 7.15 patch notes, not the 7.1 patch notes. The content I listed in my first post was from 7.1. The content in your post was all from 7.15.

It was 100% from 7.1. I clicked your link.

Who? The single moms with 8 children dangling from each arm?

If you open PF, there's not very many until the evening hours. That's evidence that most people play in the evenings ie. casually.

They aren't expensive.

More than 29,499,750 for 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers.
More than 18,333,166 for the Turali version.

I don't believe most people intend to fully 100% the game. Pretending that people can't be bored unless they've collected 20k accursed hoard is asinine.

I don't mean stuff like that. I mean just having not done certain things.

For example, some people didn't bother with Island Sanctuary yet. Others may not have bothered with certain ex trials

. Others may not have bothered with Criterion yet. Others may not have bothered with certain deep dungeons yet (considering how EO was dead on arrival). I see comments about what people haven't done yet in the game all the time.

It's fine to want more, but as I proved in one of my posts, anything they make will last no longer than 20 minutes per attempt/pull. And it's not because they are lazy; it's a design directive that is given to people applying as a designer - they are asked not to make it last longer and to truncate it if it does.

**Lilapop** · 01-23-2025 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

More than 29,499,750 for 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers.
More than 18,333,166 for the Turali version.

To play devil's advocate, a lot of people will call this "cheap" and a lot will call it "expensive," it really just depends who you're talking to whether they agree with you, unfortunately. Since different experiences and sharing them seem to be frowned upon here.

**Fatch38** · 01-23-2025 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Just a correction 16 wasn’t a flop, 16 was a success that wasn’t a big enough success to cover their actual flops like forespoken

around 3 millions copies sold for a budget of roughly 230 millions, it's not what ppl call a success

**BigCheez** · 01-23-2025 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It was 100% from 7.1. I clicked your link.
If you open PF, there's not very many until the evening hours. That's evidence that most people play in the evenings ie. casually.
More than 29,499,750 for 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers.
More than 18,333,166 for the Turali version.
I don't mean stuff like that. I mean just having not done certain things.

For example, some people didn't bother with Island Sanctuary yet. Others may not have bothered with certain ex trials

. Others may not have bothered with Criterion yet. Others may not have bothered with certain deep dungeons yet (considering how EO was dead on arrival). I see comments about what people haven't done yet in the game all the time.

It's fine to want more, but as I proved in one of my posts, anything they make will last no longer than 20 minutes per attempt/pull. And it's not because they are lazy; it's a design directive that is given to people applying as a designer - they are asked not to make it last longer and to truncate it if it does.

It's from 7.15...
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b56c2604cd14b/

What did they add that cost 30m/20m? Are you talking about the mounts and wings from 6.0 and 7.0?

**Fatch38** · 01-23-2025 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by BigCheez

It's from 7.15...
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b56c2604cd14b/

What did they add that cost 30m/20m? Are you talking about the mounts and wings from 6.0 and 7.0?

you're wasting your time with someone that is known to be a big white knight on these forums, whatever facts you'll bring to the table they'll find any excuses to say it's wrong.

**Lilapop** · 01-23-2025 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Fatch38

whatever facts you'll bring to the table they'll find any excuses to say it's wrong.

Is this not literally half of this echo chamber if not more?

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