Thread: 4.5 month patch release is NOT a problem

Originally Posted by Hallarem

Ah yes. "Burning 5 minute beast tribe quests "too fast". "

Yes, as if there isn't other content released in the patch that also takes 10-20 minutes. That builds up to where you can easily spend a few hours a day.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

This argument really needs to die.

It won't. Because this "10 minutes here" and "20 minutes there" builds up to where you've then spent a few hours. And guess how long an average person has after work? Some of those people also have to juggle looking after children, maintaining their house and preparing food.

Naturally, the people who can spend all day for weeks will burn through it faster.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You would see people linking the latest relic step in Idyllshire first day back in Heavensward if it was something that wasn't limited (like a resource tied to a daily roulette) because they no-lifed so they could be first.

Absolutely this. I spent most of Heavensward very slowly completing the anima relic for a single job, because of the crystal sand step. Yet of course other people optimized and farmed all of the relics for all of the jobs and then complained of no content.

Only one I did farm really fast was the last steps. My eyes looked pretty red after farming ARF. Obviously not what they were intending you to do.

Originally Posted by BigCheez

That was it. Where on earth are you spending multiple hours per day?

• 5min weekly Custom Deliveries for the mount.
• 16min daily Expert roulette.
• 20min daily Frontline for the PvP Series rewards.
• There were more FATE rewards, Orchestrions and TT cards to farm.
• Hunts can also be farmed for the new rewards.
• Many people went to farm the new maps for the new rewards such as figmental coffers.
• New extreme trial to farm for the mount. 8.3 hours, roughly, excluding wipes and prog, and most people won't do that all at once.
• Some people will still do M4 and savage reclears.
• Any other unfinished content.

And of course there are other sub-patches that follow the .1 patch, such as .11 with the Ultimate and .15 with the Chaotic raid.

I don't understand why we need to have less content because someone else, who may or may not exist, may or may not have children, and may or may not have to look after them.

If they have too much content, they could feel overwhelmed and stressed, a feeling other MMORPGs have created in the past.

None of this content is even mandatory

That's another part of what made it off-putting in the older style of designing an MMORPG. Grind for hours and hours and hours and it be actually required. There are games notorious for this still, and many people avoid them due to it.

Originally Posted by Hallarem

Where are these imaginary people?

The ones not on these forums, casually enjoying the game as they always have.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

• 5min weekly Custom Deliveries for the mount.
• 16min daily Expert roulette.
• 20min daily Frontline for the PvP Series rewards.
• There were more FATE rewards, Orchestrions and TT cards to farm.
• Hunts can also be farmed for the new rewards.
• Many people went to farm the new maps for the new rewards such as figmental coffers.
• New extreme trial to farm for the mount. 8.3 hours, roughly, excluding wipes and prog, and most people won't do that all at once.
• Some people will still do M4 and savage reclears.
• Any other unfinished content.

And of course there are other sub-patches that follow the .1 patch, such as .11 with the Ultimate and .15 with the Chaotic raid.
If they have too much content, they could feel overwhelmed and stressed, a feeling other MMORPGs have created in the past.
That's another part of what made it off-putting in the older style of designing an MMORPG. Grind for hours and hours and hours and it be actually required. There are games notorious for this still, and many people avoid them due to it.
The ones not on these forums, casually enjoying the game as they always have.

Oh here we go again with the OLD CONTENT excuse.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It was, because I was reading from the patch notes.

Then you were reading the 7.15 patch notes, not the 7.1 patch notes. The content I listed in my first post was from 7.1. The content in your post was all from 7.15.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Well alright then. As I said previously, content is always designed to be done in small bits of 5-20mins so you can do a pick-and-mix. Doubt it will change, so either you like it or don't tbh.

I'm fine with content being designed such that you can leave after 20 minutes. I'm not fine with content that is completely finished or doesn't allow you to keep playing after 5-20 minutes.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Except the people that are.

Who? The single moms with 8 children dangling from each arm?

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Could. Also, not everyone is rich.

They aren't expensive.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Gear augments for alt jobs. I do this in addition to the alliance raid.

Sure, but we're so far into the gear cycle that they aren't relevant any more.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

So they don't do the content, then complain there is no content, got it. Also, if it's done later, then it's "doing old content", which you were saying people don't do.

Yes, most people go back and do the ex trials a bit later when it's faster and easier. It takes a day or two and then there's nothing to do again. Unfortunately, it's a drop in the ocean of there simply not being enough to do.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I really do not believe most people have fully 100%'d the game and are waiting for more. Good for the people who have I guess?

I don't believe most people intend to fully 100% the game. Pretending that people can't be bored unless they've collected 20k accursed hoard is asinine.

Originally Posted by BigCheez

Then you were reading the 7.15 patch notes, not the 7.1 patch notes. The content I listed in my first post was from 7.1. The content in your post was all from 7.15.

It was 100% from 7.1. I clicked your link.

Who? The single moms with 8 children dangling from each arm?

If you open PF, there's not very many until the evening hours. That's evidence that most people play in the evenings ie. casually.

They aren't expensive.

More than 29,499,750 for 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers.
More than 18,333,166 for the Turali version.

I don't believe most people intend to fully 100% the game. Pretending that people can't be bored unless they've collected 20k accursed hoard is asinine.

I don't mean stuff like that. I mean just having not done certain things.

For example, some people didn't bother with Island Sanctuary yet. Others may not have bothered with certain ex trials . Others may not have bothered with Criterion yet. Others may not have bothered with certain deep dungeons yet (considering how EO was dead on arrival). I see comments about what people haven't done yet in the game all the time.

It's fine to want more, but as I proved in one of my posts, anything they make will last no longer than 20 minutes per attempt/pull. And it's not because they are lazy; it's a design directive that is given to people applying as a designer - they are asked not to make it last longer and to truncate it if it does.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yes, as if there isn't other content released in the patch that also takes 10-20 minutes. That builds up to where you can easily spend a few hours a day.
It won't. Because this "10 minutes here" and "20 minutes there" builds up to where you've then spent a few hours. And guess how long an average person has after work? Some of those people also have to juggle looking after children, maintaining their house and preparing food.

Naturally, the people who can spend all day for weeks will burn through it faster.
Absolutely this. I spent most of Heavensward very slowly completing the anima relic for a single job, because of the crystal sand step. Yet of course other people optimized and farmed all of the relics for all of the jobs and then complained of no content.

Only one I did farm really fast was the last steps. My eyes looked pretty red after farming ARF. Obviously not what they were intending you to do.

10 minutes there and 20 minutes there would have prevented them breaking the light DC and them forgetting to translate the only quest of the patch.

Also stop blaming the playerbase for having more than 5 minutes a day to play the game, the content in this game takes literally no time even if you barely play once a week.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yes, as if there isn't other content released in the patch that also takes 10-20 minutes. That builds up to where you can easily spend a few hours a day.
It won't. Because this "10 minutes here" and "20 minutes there" builds up to where you've then spent a few hours. And guess how long an average person has after work? Some of those people also have to juggle looking after children, maintaining their house and preparing food.

Naturally, the people who can spend all day for weeks will burn through it faster.
Absolutely this. I spent most of Heavensward very slowly completing the anima relic for a single job, because of the crystal sand step. Yet of course other people optimized and farmed all of the relics for all of the jobs and then complained of no content.

Only one I did farm really fast was the last steps. My eyes looked pretty red after farming ARF. Obviously not what they were intending you to do.

Where are these imaginary people? Or are they the ones who are slowly unsubbing from this game? If you're juggling kids, a job, housechores, a political career, gardening and juggling for orphans at a local circus to bring them joy. The last thing you should be doing is PLAYING AN MMO! You must be joking to even hint that this is how a game should be designed, around people with next to no time?, an MMO with an ongoing sub fee?! If this game was free to play, suuuure! But a game with a sub, that semi-armtwists you to do so unless you want to lose a house that you fought for? You think this patch content is anywhere near sufficient? Ooooh boy oh boy.

That's some massive copium you are on, my friend or some grade A trolling. If its an actual opinion, I hope the devs don't ACTUALLY design the game for people with such minimal time.