fflogs and privacy

[BigCheez]

Then there should be no problem with an opt-in model for FF Logs. After all, if no one cares to look someone's logs, what does it matter if they're hidden by default?



And if someone has their logs hidden, a static can either decide to restrict themselves to people with public logs, or else demonstrate their superb communication skills and spend 30 seconds asking for logs to be public long enough to be reviewed.

I guess they could be hidden by default but having your logs hidden is a pretty big red flag so if that were the case, I wouldn't recommend leaving your logs hidden. ...And in that case, why have them hidden by default?

If I had multiple people apply to join a static on the same job and one of them had hidden logs, I'd honestly probably skip the one with hidden logs and try out the others first. Given the asynchronous nature of the internet, I could have already found the right person by the time I've got this other person to unhide their logs, found the time to look through them and then scheduled a trial.

As someone who raids, having your logs hidden is just odd. It gives the impression that you either have something to hide, are defensive about your performance, or are self-conscious about the perception that you're being judged, all of which are very undesirable traits in static members and tend to lead to toxic raid environments. Most statics will want players who are open, honest and give & receive feedback well.

[Saraide]

A player who will harass you over your gameplay will harass you over your gameplay regardless of whether fflogs even existed or not.
You're complaining about a tool rather than the problem, which is players who harass other players over their gameplay - and the solution exists, it's called the report feature.

A player like that will also just make stuff up whenever it suits them. Just look at my signature. I dont even do savage in PF.

[Aravell]

While the numbers website is a useful tool in some cases, the unfortunate reality is that it also makes some people act like insufferable tools. It enables people to make dumb statements like:

- "You don't even raid, so you can't talk."
- "You don't have 99s, so you're not a good player."
- "You don't do ultimates, so I'm right and you're wrong."

But let's be real here, would there really be any loss to making everyone on the site anonymous and only display the names of people who have opted in? If you're just using the site for self-improvement and learning, do you really need to see the name, world, datacenter and raiding history of that zero percentile PCT that died 15 times in Jeuno?

[Oizen]

FFlogs needs to be the way it is otherwise its a free list of players who break the ToS lmao

[BigCheez]

While the numbers website is a useful tool in some cases, the unfortunate reality is that it also makes some people act like insufferable tools. It enables people to make dumb statements like:

- "You don't even raid, so you can't talk."
- "You don't have 99s, so you're not a good player."
- "You don't do ultimates, so I'm right and you're wrong."

But let's be real here, would there really be any loss to making everyone on the site anonymous and only display the names of people who have opted in? If you're just using the site for self-improvement and learning, do you really need to see the name, world, datacenter and raiding history of that zero percentile PCT that died 15 times in Jeuno?

I'd rather they just removed rankings for dungeons, normal raids and alliance raids so that casual players aren't randomly dragged in to people's logs for things that there isn't any real value in logging anyway. I have no idea why they even have rankings for them. You can still use all of the useful analytics tools without rankings, so IDK what the value is supposed to be. You can upload a log of someone hitting a striking dummy in a housing ward if you're just wanting to run it through XIV Analysis or whatever to nail down issues in rotation.

Extreme trials are kind of pointless too TBH but having rankings at least makes mount farming a bit less monotonous and encourages people to push damage and farm faster.

If someone is making absolute judgements about a player based on their "best %" for fights, that should tell you everything you need to know though. I know people who have ok logs but prog faster and more consistently than I do and I know people who have a lot of 99s but are legitimately monkey brained and can't function without a raid leader spoon feeding them until they've already cleared 10+ times.

FFlogs needs to be the way it is otherwise its a free list of players who break the ToS lmao

I hadn't actually considered this, lmao. It would still be difficult to prove that someone else didn't upload the log or that someone didn't send you the file for you to upload, but yeah, it would become a bit more sussy.

[Collin_Sky]

Extreme trials are kind of pointless too TBH but having rankings at least makes mount farming a bit less monotonous and encourages people to push damage and farm faster.

Pushing for high logs in mount farms is literally the only thing that keeps me sane through 99 kills, and yes, it does encourage others to go faster also

[CaedemSanguis]

Whether you believe it or not it's more likely than not happened. Yeah, anyone with eyes can tell a "bad" player. Doesn't change the fact that people will harass people because of poor logs.

as long as you dont give your opinion about high end pve without high end pve experience, or if you apply to a static above your experience, you should be fine

there is no problem with someone playing poorly in casual content

[Underscore]

I don't really see the issue.

[Rehayem]

While the numbers website is a useful tool in some cases, the unfortunate reality is that it also makes some people act like insufferable tools. It enables people to make dumb statements like:

- "You don't even raid, so you can't talk."
- "You don't have 99s, so you're not a good player."
- "You don't do ultimates, so I'm right and you're wrong."

But let's be real here, would there really be any loss to making everyone on the site anonymous and only display the names of people who have opted in? If you're just using the site for self-improvement and learning, do you really need to see the name, world, datacenter and raiding history of that zero percentile PCT that died 15 times in Jeuno?

During the heat of the healstrike thread, some dude decided to make a google doc of all posters to check their logs, with the OP being harassed to no end for not having cleared any hard content, all because the posters in there wanted an improvement to the healer role.

Instead people made fun with "hurrdurr didn't clear ultimate, who are you to decide if the role is good?? lmao??" and so on.

This is why we'll never be able to have nice things, and SE will simply continue to make jobs braindead to counter this mentality, so any non-raider can clear the raids.

[sindriiisgaming]

As you may know fflogs doesn't work on an opt-in model: you have to actually register to opt-out and have your pages set to private, and in fact data about your character and performance is stored and displayed publicly without any consent for everyone unregistered. After seeing that fiasco with that third party mod exploiting the blacklist system, and fflogs also working on a similar opt-in model, this reminded me that I've always found this a little concerning in the first place.

I know SE has little control over external websites, but I do think they still hold some modicum of power into what that can declare "cool" or "not cool".

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

that's not 100% true. now after what happened to me on NYD i have hidden my logs for good (tho tbh i had meant to for over 6 months) all u have to do is put "fflogs hidden" in your search info. and if any of you arent comfy with them being shown i strongly recommend editing this in. as for SE.. its been a decade now and they've done nothing. i dont think they'll ever do anything about it.. its a player created problem and even if they take down FFLOGs another will pop up.. its actually really positive behaviour the bio edit allows you to hide without signing up

During the heat of the healstrike thread, some dude decided to make a google doc of all posters to check their logs, with the OP being harassed to no end for not having cleared any hard content, all because the posters in there wanted an improvement to the healer role.

Instead people made fun with "hurrdurr didn't clear ultimate, who are you to decide if the role is good?? lmao??" and so on.

the healers in that thread who HAD cleared ultimates weren't adversed to humiliation to silence criticism at all either