fflogs and privacy

[BigCheez]

If you mean TOS, yesn't, to use tools to gather logs is against TOS, to have your parses logged on FFLogs is a grey area, because anyone who you have partied with is able to upload logs, therefor there is no way to prove any individual raider was the one who uploaded their logs, it's why console players are able to log just fine.

Using ACT to generate logs violates the ToS.

FFLogs is not a grey area. It's a website and does not interact with the game client in any way whatsoever. It isn't a third-party tool by definition and visiting the website does not violate the ToS in any way, shape or form.

[VeyaAkemi]

Using ACT to generate logs violates the ToS.

FFLogs is not a grey area. It's a website and does not interact with the game client in any way whatsoever. It isn't a third-party tool by definition and visiting the website does not violate the ToS in any way, shape or form.

Yes, I was specifically avoiding using the name of the tool to talk about it because it's something that shouldn't be openly discussed in the forum, but I guess I shouldn't care about that.

And I say it's a "grey area" because, the way I see it, if someone is reliant on or frequently refers to FFLogs, it creates a strong implication they are generating and uploading logs themselves, or knowingly play with people who do, though I also don't think that's a bad thing, ToS in this game is more of a strong suggestion with an underlying of "Just don't get caught" anyway, and in general I'd advocate for an in-game DPS meter as is, to reduce player reliance on tools like ACT and so console players can also benefit from it.

[BigCheez]

Yes, I was specifically avoiding using the name of the tool to talk about it because it's something that shouldn't be openly discussed in the forum, but I guess I shouldn't care about that.

And I say it's a "grey area" because, the way I see it, if someone is reliant on or frequently refers to FFLogs, it creates a strong implication they are generating and uploading logs themselves, or knowingly play with people who do, though I also don't think that's a bad thing, ToS in this game is more of a strong suggestion with an underlying of "Just don't get caught" anyway, and in general I'd advocate for an in-game DPS meter as is, to reduce player reliance on tools like ACT and so console players can also benefit from it.

Even Yoshi-P himself has mentioned ACT by name. I don't think it needs to be given Voldemort status.

Playing with someone who is logging or having someone send you a log file is doesn't violate ToS because you aren't using any third-party tools. Something like playing with someone who is using AM are where this would become grey area because in that scenario you're actively benefitting in-game from someone violating ToS on your behalf and it could be argued that you're using them indirectly yourself.