fflogs and privacy

[Collin_Sky]

Wanting to hide your fflogs is a massive red flag

this is also not the same as a literal stalking plugin

[TaleraRistain]

Wanting to hide your fflogs is a massive red flag

this is also not the same as a literal stalking plugin

It's not remotely a red flag. People are sh*tty to others over logs when those others never touch endgame content. So any of us who do use them for their intended purpose should need to actively opt-in.

[Jeeqbit]

As you may know fflogs doesn't work on an opt-in model: you have to actually register to opt-out and have your pages set to private

I think they started respecting when you set the lodestone to private now? At least I understand that tomestone does.

I know SE has little control over external websites, but I do think they still hold some modicum of power into what that can declare "cool" or "not cool".

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

I vaguely recall them making very vague references to it sometimes over the years like "the site". They obviously don't think it's cool.

But I think I recall them saying how they weren't taking aggressive action over everything that players are doing? Obviously that would split players a lot and cause a lot of controversy since the website has a lot of fans and have long been common across many games in the genre.

well, I am sure that they dont get the information out of the aether, so that means that they are accessing FFXIV information from the servers.

The information comes from the battle log that you can see in the game. If the servers do not send that information to you and your party, then the battle log will not be visible. They could probably show the boss HP go down without saying who attacked it, seeing as that is configurable in your battle log, but I don't see them doing that.

[SongOfTheWind]

Wanting to hide your fflogs is a massive red flag

this is also not the same as a literal stalking plugin

Wanting to see other fflogs without their consent is the red flag.
The latter I agree with.

[Kaurhz]

It's not remotely a red flag. People are sh*tty to others over logs when those others never touch endgame content. So any of us who do use them for their intended purpose should need to actively opt-in.

I don't disagree that that it should be opt-in but...

To be honest, this is one of those situations where... The absence of information is almost always interpreted to be worse than the presence of it, as people can only assume the worse. So it typically does raise red flags with a lot of people due to the nature of the game.. - Now whether it should or not is a different discussion.

Also, honestly, most of the times I've seen people that are 'bad' to others, is when they try to interject into a conversation which they may not be suited towards being in. e.g., "Why are you having an opinion on this, when you haven't even actually done this". It's the same line of thinking of "Why are you talking about the story of this game, when you've skipped every cutscene"

[tsuchii]

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

TOS says it's prohibited. Don't do it. End of thread.

[TaleraRistain]

I don't disagree that that it should be opt-in but...

To be honest, this is one of those situations where... The absence of information is almost always interpreted to be worse than the presence of it, as people can only assume the worse. So it typically does raise red flags with a lot of people due to the nature of the game.. - Now whether it should or not is a different discussion.

Also, honestly, most of the times I've seen people that are 'bad' to others, is when they try to interject into a conversation which they may not be suited towards being in. e.g., "Why are you having an opinion on this, when you haven't even actually done this". It's the same line of thinking of "Why are you talking about the story of this game, when you've skipped every cutscene"

The only reason the absence of information is interpreted as bad is because this process is opt-out. If it was opt-in and the data was anonymous otherwise, then it would be natural that there would be people who didn't have logs because they don't engage with the content that makes having an account on that site necessary.

And trust me, people are judging logs even in casual content. The stuff I hear and see in raiding Discords just makes me shake my head sometimes. I don't care what color the dps is parsing in Jeuno if they can't stay out of the AoEs and stop taking avoidable damage. And I also don't care if someone in a dungeon isn't doing their rotation right because we're not trying to beat enrage on a dungeon boss and if I looked at their logs I could see they've never even done an Extreme. But there are plenty who talk trash about these very people because they're obsessed with numbers.

[Lilapop]

Wanting to hide your fflogs is a massive red flag

this is also not the same as a literal stalking plugin

Translation: "letting people harass people with bad logs is ok, however, stalking is messed up bro!"

[BigCheez]

FFLogs doesn't store any sensitive information about your account. It isn't remotely comparable to the stalker plogon.

Logs and the associated analysis tools are invaluable for a player's improvement while the stalker plogon provides literally zero value for anyone. There is no use case for PlayerScope beyond sussy levels of snooping and targeted harassment via the marketboard.

Translation: "letting people harass people with bad logs is ok, however, stalking is messed up bro!"

If you don't care about your performance, why would your logs bother you?
If you do care about your performance, why do you have bad logs?

If you're embarrassed by your logs, just go fflogs-hidden.

[Nero-Voidstails]

isn't log still huh you know against things? I don't know that's why I am asking