fflogs and privacy

[TaleraRistain]

The problem with those sites is they don't really tell you all that much at all.

You cannot for example look at a parse on fflogs and be like ok that players dragoon is i1000 and has an i950 weapon. And gear is a MAJOR component in damage, especially with the games power creep..

So while you may look at a parse see a player is green and conclude that players terrible. Maybe they're not. Maybe they're playing the job properly but don't really chase the treadmill to much. It's tedious af having to rebuild every job every patch..

It doesn't take much to drop you from lets say the 90th percentile right down to the 60s, 50s. Mayve even 40s Sometimes just 10-20 i-levels. And if your around 50% your basically "average"

Better gear alone can take a player from green to purple in some cases but players just see green and automatically conclude bad player. When in reality you can be a good or great player just not in the latest and greatest gear because treadmill is tedious af.

This is also why many players pad the level requirements on PF groups so much because gear goes an incredibly long way to cover for a bad player.

I do very much agree with the op that these things should be opt in. Not opt out. And any player dated from players not opted in should be anonymized. And show as "unknown dragoon" or something

There are also the things that numbers won't tell you.

My static has an amazing astro. Honestly, I wonder sometimes why he's with our casual static because he's just fantastic. He gets incredibly high numbers but as his main tank I never have to worry that he's too focused on dps and will let me or the rest of the party down when we need him.

My friend who is also the main tank has two static healers who focus on dps and have just as high numbers as he does, but she's constantly talking about how they either let her die to greed or she has to blow all her mit to stay alive. Her healers don't support her and only chase their own numbers, to the detriment of their static's progress sometimes.

Those who only look at log numbers would classify those two healers the same but they are miles apart in their value to the party.

There's also the grey or green parser you might get in PF who picks up things quickly or is incredibly accurate with mechanics. I know most PF groups I've been in would rather have that person than someone with a higher number who constantly greeds and wipes the party, or can't do the mechanics well in a PF setting and seems like they might usually have some sort of callout helping them.

[Kohashi]

My friend who is also the main tank has two static healers who focus on dps and have just as high numbers as he does, but she's constantly talking about how they either let her die to greed or she has to blow all her mit to stay alive. Her healers don't support her and only chase their own numbers, to the detriment of their static's progress sometimes.

This sounds very sus on so many levels. What content are they progging? Because in savage and above doing a kitchen sink to stay alive because the healer is greeding DPS always leads to poor outcomes.

Tank mitigations are very specific and spaced out in a very precise manner. Only maybe as OT, you can afford a few liberties, otherwise not really. If they need to do a kitchen sink and they are MT, on the next TB they will just flat out die.

Also if the tanks die, there is a high chance the rest of the party dies as well. Even normal attacks from bosses are no joke.

This reminds me of a funny story when a DPS friend greeded an opener and Hephastois deleted him in 1 and a half attacks. He just melted. We couldn't stop laughing for 5 minutes straight.

[TaleraRistain]

This sounds very sus on so many levels. What content are they progging? Because in savage and above doing a kitchen sink to stay alive because the healer is greeding DPS always leads to poor outcomes.

Tank mitigations are very specific and spaced out in a very precise manner. Only maybe as OT, you can afford a few liberties, otherwise not really. If they need to do a kitchen sink and they are MT, on the next TB they will just flat out die.

Also if the tanks die, there is a high chance the rest of the party dies as well. Even normal attacks from bosses are no joke.

This reminds me of a funny story when a DPS friend greeded an opener and Hephastois deleted him in 1 and a half attacks. He just melted. We couldn't stop laughing for 5 minutes straight.

Savage and up in her case. I haven't stepped into Ultimates so just Savage in mine. We're both the main tanks of our statics.

It's not really sus. My healers this tier in this static are great but the healers we had last tier who decided not to come back this tier (a husband and wife team and my friend also has a husband and wife team currently) cared more about their parse than keeping us alive. I remember we were progging P11S and still learning and getting clipped by things and instead of thinking of what they could do to help us see more of the fight by maybe pushing a little more healing, they blamed the rest of us for taking avoidable damage. You're right that the healer greeding dps does often lead to poor outcomes. My point was that my fantastic static healer and her healers get comparable numbers and would look the same if you just looked at their logs, but they are vastly different in how they support us and the value they provide to the party.

[BigCheez]

Savage and up in her case. I haven't stepped into Ultimates so just Savage in mine. We're both the main tanks of our statics.

It's not really sus. My healers this tier in this static are great but the healers we had last tier who decided not to come back this tier (a husband and wife team and my friend also has a husband and wife team currently) cared more about their parse than keeping us alive. I remember we were progging P11S and still learning and getting clipped by things and instead of thinking of what they could do to help us see more of the fight by maybe pushing a little more healing, they blamed the rest of us for taking avoidable damage. You're right that the healer greeding dps does often lead to poor outcomes. My point was that my fantastic static healer and her healers get comparable numbers and would look the same if you just looked at their logs, but they are vastly different in how they support us and the value they provide to the party.

What were you getting clipped by in P11S that didn't just kill you outright? Anabaseios was basically clipped = dead, dead = wipe. There honestly wasn't a great deal that healers could do beyond LB3 to save a pull. They just mit and heal the raid damage and if people fail mechanics then you're cooked. That raid tier was notorious for RDMs not even being able to do much to help salvage pulls.

[Buttobi]

People saying that hiding your fflogs is a massive red flag is a massive red flag to me.

[Exmo]

We can all agree that FFLogs scrapes user data without their consent and is used for malicious purposes to intimidate and harass other players, despite how the community so highly values the privacy and safety of its members. However, it is also useful for players who want to know how to push buttons better, so it's impossible to say whether it's bad or not.

[Valence]

We can all agree that FFLogs scrapes user data without their consent and is used for malicious purposes to intimidate and harass other players, despite how the community so highly values the privacy and safety of its members. However, it is also useful for players who want to know how to push buttons better, so it's impossible to say whether it's bad or not.

I do appreciate fflogs for things like analytics and XIVAnalysis.

[Purrnauskis]

Yoshi-P save me the evil people are gatekeeping me from savage because of FFlogs!

[Dzian]

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You Ma'am! (Based on your avatar) should be considered a role model.

If the community as a whole used the site like you there would be so much less toxicity and negativity around it.

I applaud you. And that's from someone that still believes the site should be oot in not opt out.

The problem is not that the website isn't useful. The problem is that you don't know how to use the website..

I'l be the first to admit i don't fully understand it or how to interpret it correctly.

The issue is that same statement can be said about a significant percentage of the site's users. That's the problem.

And a significant amount of those people "think" they do know how to use it but actually don't. And that's what creates a lot of the dramas and toxicity

I lost interest in raiding quite early in heavensward after they neutered coils. And have basically said F the treadmill ever since. Any raiding I've done since has usually been slot filler for statics. Which is why my clears are all over I've cleared pandemonium 1 3 and 6 and 1 other for example but not 2 4 5 7..

[SongOfTheWind]

It might as well be that EU is just that brutal, hence your different experiences