NA needs to start using the Raid Finder

[OranKells]

My issue has been more with the "pseudo disbands" in the party finder. A single failed pull and people start leaving, the group dissolves, only to reform with the majority of the same people but while wasting anywhere from 5-45 minutes reorganizing.

We are incapable of having a mature discussion about why the pull failed, was it bad luck? carelessness? bad snapshot? someone just has no idea what they're doing?
Is this because we're being afraid of being reported for "toxicity"? One player will just scream "YoU dOnT pAy My SuB!!!" It does feel like everyone is so overly sensitive that it's almost easier to leave and say nothing at all then try to talk out what may have went wrong.

The raid finder would at least stop people from leaving after a single attempt, lest they eat the 30 minute penalty, and if they did or we'd need replace one bad player that was vote kicked with in progress queues and not waste hours reorganizing.

I know its pollyannaish of me but I just wish people had a little more patience in this large scale battles

[technole]

I loved when NA had to rely on raid finder when it first came out for Sophia EX. Those who weren't here then we didn't have XPF yet, it was just local tab PF at the time. I got so many re-clears without any issue, and plus you can comm people after the clear so I compiled a lot. So if anything we downgraded when party finder culture took over with the addition of XPF, the usage of RF died in NA along with it.

Raid finder is subject to the same duty finder rules when not full premade in like the leaving early penalty, and party leader just having to hit replace when one person leaves. So you have 24 people queue for "duty complete" for a reclear, you get one bad apple, hit replace and you clear. Sure vote disbands happen, but that's okay that means the majority believe this isn't clearable and we need to re-queue with different people.