PVP Mentor

[Valence]

I know it's only secondary to more pressing matters, but could it be possible to envision specific mentor requirements for the pvp one? Being able to access pvp mentor by essentially never touching any pvp in one's life since everything is tied to pve, is a bit ludicrous..

[UkcsAlias]

Mentor status is mostly just meaningless. Trade mentor barely has any requirement except a bit of grinding. And battle mentor can easily be achieved in unsync. Extremes in unsync arent that hard, they mostly have just 1 mechanic that demands some coordination, but being massively overgeared makes most heavy hitters weak and allows a lot of mechanics to be failed without a wipe.

It surely is strange to show a pvp mentor icon when never having done any pvp.

But you can already get trade mentor while still in HW barely having ever crafted anything (as all you need is max lvl and as collectables dont exist in ARR, its HW minimum. And you can just buy the items from the marketboard). I would say that this is almost as bad as the pvp mentor status, although here you at least had to craft something (lvl 60m collectables are trivial to craft that this is just a grind to complete).

Real mentors in this game know that mentor status is meaningless. Its in most cases just considered an access pass towards a public chat room.

[Archeron]

Honestly PvP has such a lack of variety in game modes, (Basically just CC and Frontlines) What could you possibly tie the requirements to? Matches played? Matches won? Ranked CC ranking? If so it could possibly rival crafting mentor for how easy it would be to earn and just become another "Permanent sprout" icon. I just don't see there being enough content in PvP at the moment to justify the existence of PvP mentors.

[Valence]

Real mentors in this game know that mentor status is meaningless. Its in most cases just considered an access pass towards a public chat room.

People are free to partake or not into the mentor system and what they do think about the usefulness of the system is at their own discretion, but I'd personally like to have a pvp mentor status that comes attached with some pvp strings. They do not have to be hard, much like the pve requirements aren't, or even the underwhelming trade mentor reqs, but they should be there to ensure pvp mentors have at least spent some time doing actual pvp.

Honestly PvP has such a lack of variety in game modes, (Basically just CC and Frontlines) What could you possibly tie the requirements to? Matches played? Matches won? Ranked CC ranking? If so it could possibly rival crafting mentor for how easy it would be to earn and just become another "Permanent sprout" icon. I just don't see there being enough content in PvP at the moment to justify the existence of PvP mentors.

Amount of CC games played, and another amount of FL games played at the minimum. Something like 750 and 750 to match the 1000/1500 from pve. Numbers can be discussed and aren't that important, it can also be 500/500 too, although I'd argue that pvp has a much steeper, less intuitive learning curve compared to pve.
Since I'd like SE at some point to reconsider why they didn't feel the need to attach the doh/dol role quests to the requirements of the hammer mentorship (pve does it so why not doh/dol?) if just to ensure people are at least advanced up to the current expansion's content, then it is only fair that pve rolequests should be required for pvp mentorship since I don't see what else from pvp could fit the bill otherwise.

[UkcsAlias]

Something like 750 and 750 to match the 1000/1500 from pve.

Except that is not the thing that holds back most pve mentors. Its the commendation count. You can play 5000 dungeons, if you lack the commendations you wont be a pve mentor.

Commendations at least require someone to vote on you, which as healer and tank is easily farmable. But very bad performances there will be noticed, and hold players back here. Sure, pvp could also get such system, as long as its anonymous voting. But that is realy the only measurement you could take. But even then, the worst players can still get these. Its still kinda pointless.

To me the real reason to become pve mentor is mentor roulette, and even then its just so you can show off a quite meaningless mount. But the roulette can at least involve some extremes and bring a fun challenge there (and yet, too many mentors just take the penalty for leaving instead)

I have seen sprouts that are significantly better than most mentors. I have seen a lot of mentors that plain struggle with an extreme and need to do them in unsync to keep the roulette, while sprouts can do the extreme in MINE setting. Again, the NN is just a global chatbox with some restrictions for entering, where mentor status is the ticket to be able to join it.

Also, i do agree that DoL and DoH should get the job quests as requirement. Even if its just 2 of them (1 gatherer and 1 crafter based), it at least avoids the case where someone in HW can get the mentor status (as now it demands the current expansion). But on that same note, pvp doesnt require max level at all, so if it has a mentor status... how would you balance that then?

[Valence]

As I said, you are free to hold whatever opinion you have on the mentor system, this isn't the point of this thread. I personally do not consider mentor as a badge of skill, merely as a series of requirements ensuring someone has played some content enough in order to help beginners in whatever capacity they're the best suited at.

Beyond the amount of pvp duties required, you'd probably need a certain amount of commendations as well, much like pve, because commendations can be earned in both types of content and are certainly not exclusive to pve. Ensuring pvp mentors are at least in DT is trickier unlike for doh/dol, but frankly it can be just a msq lock if that's really a concern.

[ThaCa]

They could either require large amount of games played on PvP modes and/or have a Rank set as limit.

Mentor system could use an overall overhaul anyway.

[Sinstrel]

They could just re-implement PvP ranks and require you to have a max lv char, and max (lv. 50) PvP rank.

[Valence]

Well there is still a pvp rank, but I don't know how fast it is to rank to 50 those days. Probably needs updating...