Frontlines: There should not be ANY rewards for 2nd or 3rd place

[Avarence]

You should get some rewards for putting in effort and trying, but still losing.
The issue is dead weight gets rewarded.
Perhaps those with less than X contribution (say; player dmg) dont get anything.

[MatchaokaCha]

This is a really bad idea. This is the fastest way to cultivate an extremely toxic environment.

[MisterNublet]

This is a really bad idea. This is the fastest way to cultivate an extremely toxic environment.

It's already plenty toxic when 50% of the team does less than 200k damage, 0 kills, pitiful amount of assists and handful of deaths.

I shouldn't have to spend 10 minutes after every frontlines match reporting players because the system allows such players to leech from others.

[Avarence]

This is a really bad idea. This is the fastest way to cultivate an extremely toxic environment.

How is telling people who ELECT to join a "team-based PVP mode" that they must contribute to said PVP or get nothing, toxic??
Even setting the dmg bar low; 100k dmg, would probably prevent 7 players per match from getting rewarded. (Dmg is an example, could be another metric)
Forcing them to participate or not que. Allowing someone who wants to play/try to join.
Enforcing people to do what THEY SIGNED UP FOR, is not toxic.

It is more toxic for a person to join a TEAM based environment, mode, game, or setting, and not do anything constructive to help the team.

[Bonoki]

A lot of these ideas would kill Frontlines. The only reason Frontlines is popping is because of the rewards people are trying to take away. Back in the day, those rewards did not exist. And it took hours for a match to pop.

[Mawlzy]

I think one has to focus on individual performance rather than team rewards.

If those of us who play regularly can identify non-combatants during the match, or afterwards from the stats summary, SQEX should certainly be able to do so given they have data for individual players over all their matches.

The idea of at least obtaining BH1 once in the match that someone else suggested is one of the better ideas IMO. The only map it potentially falls down is Shatter, which is another reason for removing Shatter from a PvP mode.

One could simply auto-boot players failing to reach that threshold after ~ 8 minutes so replacements can be brought in before the 10-min deadline.

I'm sure even this could be abused by people who are freeloading, but it does provide direct motivation for players to engage and even learn the damn game, and places the onus on SQEX to actually enforce ToS.

[Mawlzy]

Right, I haven't seen anything nearly that bad since 7.1. Certainly if teams are massively lopsided then even BH1 might be a struggle. But in that case your team will lose anyway, so it's a push relative to team-based rewards.

[ChrysOCE]

but if you are on the winning team, you get rewarded regardless. its only on the losing teams, that not contributing would mean no/reduced rewards. you would hope that even if you are winning, you are being productive. but definitely, 2nd/3rd spot, if you are doing nothing or just feeding, there should be some way for Square to tell - what buttons were pressed, what movement did they make on the map etc

[Mawlzy]

but if you are on the winning team, you get rewarded regardless. its only on the losing teams, that not contributing would mean no/reduced rewards. you would hope that even if you are winning, you are being productive. but definitely, 2nd/3rd spot, if you are doing nothing or just feeding, there should be some way for Square to tell - what buttons were pressed, what movement did they make on the map etc

Yeah exactly so, and with 24-person teams, I don't see the AFKers being motivated to try based on team rewards. They'll hit 33% same as always.

[Helldemon]

Frontlines would be DoA with changes like that.