What happened to the community

[St0rmy]

Idk just be respectful of others time and feelings and they'll be respectful towards you. That's what I've found. If I join a group for farm or a certain prog point and someone is lying about their progression, they're the one that is being toxic. Not me if I call them out.

[Shougun]

Idk just be respectful of others time and feelings and they'll be respectful towards you. That's what I've found. If I join a group for farm or a certain prog point and someone is lying about their progression, they're the one that is being toxic. Not me if I call them out.

That doesn't sound right, best I can do is make a passive aggressive PF that says clear only know the strat in all caps, mistake = kick, and then parse the worse while everyone carries me.

[Xerosleep]

Ok if you think this is something new i suggest you look up "Skip Soar or Disband"

[RaideDuku]

[Lorika]

Both scientists and mathematicians deal in facts, not personal experiences. Besides your personal experience, can you show me the numbers to support your claim?

Ofc i don't have precise number, i'm playing a game for fun not for statistics, numbers etc... Ah, wait, it's why i'm not fan of savage XD
But, you know, saying everything is fine, nothing changed... that's like, denying the political, societal and economical crisis that NA/EU are facing right now.
Thoses issues are putting burden o people. They build stress, anger, frustration... And then lashes out in online games, where your identity is anonimous, to relieve a bit all of thoses bad emotion.
In fact since the Covid people didn't get any respite, all of this is slowly but surely blowing up... We all carry a freaking time bomb... And a lot of people are just venting.

So tell me, why would FFXIV the only Online game not being affected by this? heck why it would be the only game not affected by this? It doesn't make sense.
The community has changed for the worse, being in denial it's not good.

[caffe_macchiato]

Final Fantasy XIV has evolved. We're serious now, pal. We have so much mid-core content in 7.1 like Chaotic raids that we just don't have time to be nice anymore. It's time to grow up and be a real gamer just like us. Final Fantasy XIV isn't like WoW where you can do casual content and make friends in guilds. We're serious. Our guilds are for making money. Our clears are for prestige, not "fun".

Don't mess with Final Fantasy XIV players. We're the best of the best. We are legion, we don't forgive and we don't forget.

[Jeeqbit]

im not sure why your dismiss a lot of his bad actions as " a character" when the guy got banned for it and has been salty about it ever since despite doing nothing to improve. if it was a character then that's quite the dedication to the role.

Of course it's dedication to the role... it's his dayjob. Would you expect an actor, a scientist or anyone else that is good at their job to not be "dedicated" to their role?

I don't remember why he got banned but I think it was just over entertainment. He used to entertain by saying mean things about people he was pugging with. He did pugging on purpose because it would create situations for him to comment on. But it was not actually serious or like he hated them or something - just meant to keep his audience entertained. He was helping them clear despite all the things he was saying.

He's diversified his entertainment methods a lot since (used a lot of Asmongold's methods such as reacts, ban appeals and so on, to much success and it makes complete sense to take inspiration from one of the most successful streamers).

0:42 that he very much thinks this is essential to have(along with many other raid related mods). This is a big youtuber in the community now actively saying these things are essential.

As I've been saying - just entertainment. Exaggerating and embracing memes are part of being entertaining as a streamer.

I have not bothered with Ultimates yet, but I can say I have cleared plenty of Savage floors without them.

Is it harder? I think it is harder, because it relies on focus and muscle memory (which can fail you sometimes) when callouts could make it braindead. But there are times where actually looking at what you're doing and remembering what to do in advance are superior and in these moments you won't regret having trained your muscle memory and ability to focus.

Also, if you require callouts you can get that in discord anyway. Just requires one person to do it and often there is an amazing person in a static or voicechat that can do it whilst doing mechanics themselves.

You used to see everyone say hi at the start of a dungeon and ty at the end of it

Still do, at least in NA.

You used to see long funny macro at the start of a dungeon....

Always been rare, at least in NA.

You used to see chat during dungeon, funny comment when a mistake was made, laugh etc....

Not saying people always chat, but I chat with people in dungeons fairly often. Depends if something prompts it. Probably more chatter than I used to see earlier in the game's history.

They hit sprint without warning

I used to see people do that in the first few expansions. They'd get Snowcloak, pull everything, die, then leave. Of course it's way easier to do that pull now, but before a new player wasn't handling that. However, if tanks didn't do that, people were rude to them.

You ussed to see people not pulling or pressuring new tank on they first time in a dungeon

I had people pressuring me to pull and being toxic in Heavensward as a first timer, so not true.

[Menriq]

Ofc i don't have precise number, i'm playing a game for fun not for statistics, numbers etc... Ah, wait, it's why i'm not fan of savage XD
But, you know, saying everything is fine, nothing changed... that's like, denying the political, societal and economical crisis that NA/EU are facing right now.
Thoses issues are putting burden o people. They build stress, anger, frustration... And then lashes out in online games, where your identity is anonimous, to relieve a bit all of thoses bad emotion.
In fact since the Covid people didn't get any respite, all of this is slowly but surely blowing up... We all carry a freaking time bomb... And a lot of people are just venting.

So tell me, why would FFXIV the only Online game not being affected by this? heck why it would be the only game not affected by this? It doesn't make sense.
The community has changed for the worse, being in denial it's not good.

Your experience is valid, and no one is denying that. You are not the only one to think things have changed. My issue though is saying this is not subjective when it 100% is. Even taking regional differences out, people have different experiences within the same DC. For example, on Aether in NA, S ranks are what many considered "early pulled" often. In the same region you have Dynamis, which honors pull timers almost all the time, and even if early pulled, people wait until the timer to actually unload. The reason I bring this up is if you ask someone from Aether about hunts, and someone from Dynamis about hunts, you'll get two very different answers and experiences even though it's the exact same content.

[CVXIV]

why do you do this to yourself
what is there to gain
it's not being a martyr for any cause, it's just sad

[Sacae]

Pulling wall to wall has been the norm since ARR, and you'd always be called out for not doing so.

Maybe the people complaining about no conversations taking place in dungeons should, I dunno, speak up in dungeons? Be the change you want.

Also, nobody ever waits out the cutscene in Toto-Rak. That cutscene takes longer than the dungeon does. Blame Square Enix for that one, not the players who don't want wait while you listen to Lahabrea slowly monologue War and Peace.