Thread: leveling in 2.0 content over grinding.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's exactly what leves are. Killing some mobs, and get an Xp reward for it.

And besides, progression by grinding is just utterly boring. It was in FFXI and it is in FFXIV although they made levelling much quicker than the old FFXI.

They should do a lot of class quests. Not automatically enough to go 1-50, but enough to get the vast majority of your Xp that way. Since class quests are...well...tied to your current class, you'd have no problem levelling multiple class on your character.

And besides, they sould arrange the content like a real adventure. Starting in you town and visiting further and further while doing quests (And earning Xp for exploration). I know some people will flame me for the comparison, but that's what was done in WoW, and it felt much more fluent. It's no accident it's the number one selling MMO.

If you think about it, off-line FF worked the same way too.

I would like this.

I'd like to see quests that are inside dungeons.

Kill 4 toads in Aurum Vale.
Kill 5 Hippogryphs in Dark Hold.
etc.

Agree with the above, class quests and exploration should be inextricably linked, dungeons should have an array of quests of their own. There still needs to be things to do "off the road" as it were. As mentioned, a Dynamic system like GW2 would help make the world immersive. Things like a Hunt/Mark system is also another way to feel immersed without feeling like you are completing quest 1 to 10 at hub1 before moving onto hub2.

I do think however that there need to be more substantial boss fights along the way from 1 to 50. The current boss type fights especially in the class quests and missions dont feel very epic or final fantasyish. Frankly there are no good boss fights until 50 and even then some of which are lacking. Granted it might backfire to make them too hard or to requiring a party every other quest, but some fights could be about endurance (seeing as most offline ff bosses are about endurance, mp or item management, rather than difficulty).

Originally Posted by Reynhart

And besides, progression by grinding is just utterly boring.

Yeeeeeppppp

What is the difference between completing a leve quest that says kill x number of mobs, or completing a "class" quest that says kill x number of mobs? People try and disguise all these leveling ideas as being different but it just boils down to kill a ton of mobs over and over again, kill a ton of mobs and receive a bonus every once in a while, or kill a ton of mobs in an instance then run the instance over and over. Did anyone really derive far more enjoyment from WoW quest hubs than they do from leves? Its still a grind, and nearly all FF games have required you to grind at some point.

Unique quests like Maat etc would be great and I hope they add them, but I don't know how they can create enough content like that to level multiple jobs to max level.

My guess: They'll let you quest almost all of your first job to the top, then the next job you pick up will require a little bit of regular grinding to get to the top, and then the amount of grinding you need to do will increase as you get more and more jobs to the max level.

I'd rather level slower in content based leveling then grind with a group of random people with no set goal in sight at all. The quicker the leveling the worse the game experience. I was a huge fan of FFXI until abyssea came out and turned the game to garbage.

Content based leveling will also make gear slightly more important (if slower)and will help crafters of all brackets. The xp party grinds at our current speed makes almost everything worthless. Content has more importance in an MMO then leveling speed. It should be quick, but not quick to the point you can reach level cap in no time with almost no effort.

Lower level players and new players are bored and quit before they hit 20-30 because of nothing to do. Toto-rak is a pathetic joke as far as content goes. the time limit makes it a turn-off and the fact they have to wait til that level range to do it is discouraging.

Lets not forget: games with content based leveling destroy BOTH FFXI and FFXIV combine in sales and population. I think if you add FFXI and FFXIV's population together you don't even get 5% of WoWs overall current population. Not to mention the off-spins of WoW have a higher playerbase then both FF games as well. Even free-to-play MMOs can turn a better profit if enough play them.