Please let us keep our abilities on sync down

[Jeeqbit]

There's no scaling for BLU, they just get all of their spells at level 1. Have you ever run old content synced with a BLU in your party? They'll do 2-4x as much damage as anyone else in the party.

There is the Item Level scaling still. But the problem I explained in my post causes it to still be overpowered, especially if they use their primal abilities. And this is why the "additional abilities" and "potency" factors would need sorting.

I have thought that they could achieve sorting the potency issue by reducing the potency, using the level difference between the attack and the dungeon as a percentage to reduce the potency by.

There are however skills where capping PPM would do nothing because of how they work (like WAR's bloodwhetting,or the amount of oGCD healing healers have), which would need special attention and a different solution.

Unfortunately, reducing the potency as I just described wouldn't solve this issue of us having access to abilities like Bloodwhetting that just completely unbalance the content regardless of potency.

What plays into all this is the fact SE has rarely ever revisited old content. It took 7 years before they revisited the ARR story and the whole 10 years before they had revamped all the old MSQ dungeons. So even if they were willing to do this, the chances of them having much focus on anything old is low. A single sidequest dungeon revamp is about the extent of it at the moment.

[ovIm]

Unfortunately, reducing the potency as I just described wouldn't solve this issue of us having access to abilities like Bloodwhetting that just completely unbalance the content regardless of potency.

Thats... what I said? I have no idea what you are arguing against here when you are saying the point I was making?

What plays into all this is the fact SE has rarely ever revisited old content. It took 7 years before they revisited the ARR story and the whole 10 years before they had revamped all the old MSQ dungeons. So even if they were willing to do this, the chances of them having much focus on anything old is low. A single sidequest dungeon revamp is about the extent of it at the moment.

This is not about revising old content, but about reworking an always current game mechanic they have implemented to keep old content somewhat relevant. They already (should) have a document outlining the PPM of every class for every level bracket, as well as expected PPM for every instance when it was designed. Calculating a reverse-echo is not that much work, its a workday at best for someone who uses Excel (or any other table calculator software).
Considering there is supposedly a revamp of classes coming in 8.0, maybe it is something they are keeping in mind. Who knows.

[keichirou]

100% this .... especially since roulette loves to give me dungeons lvl20 or 30 for leveling and trials, and dungeons level 50 for the "high level" part is absurd.

If WoW can do this then I don't understand why ffxiv can't do this.

swtor and gw2 can do it as well......this is insane

[ovIm]

After classes have been pruned more and more to only give a full, proper gameplay experience at max level, I am kind of inclined to agree that there needs to be something done with skill synching in general.
Whenever a expansion released, we already always had an endgame level rotation available to us in dungeons, after all, and the following leveling dungeons were kinda made with such a rotation in mind already.

Skill potencies can be dealt with easily enough. CS3 know what PPM they had in mind when creating a dungeon, so capping PPM (like a reverse echo) would be mathematically easy enough. Like I care if Johnny Greensprout does the same damage as me using only 4 buttons, I like using my full rotation.

There are however skills where capping PPM would do nothing because of how they work (like WAR's bloodwhetting,or the amount of oGCD healing healers have), which would need special attention and a different solution.

[Kohashi]

some of you need to play GW2. The game does an awesome job at scaling down and providing appropriate rewards that are meaningful for that level. If you are synched down from 100 to 50, you won't get level 50 gear (since it makes no sense to you) but instead, you get lvl 100.

Most classes feel awful pre-lvl 80 and it's understandable since they have been designed and tunned to work best at the current max level.

Btw, I am talking specifically about dailies, not the normal dungeons. If you que a dungeon normally, you still get the appropriate loot tied to that.

[ovIm]

some of you need to play GW2. The game does an awesome job at scaling down and providing appropriate rewards that are meaningful for that level. If you are synched down from 100 to 50, you won't get level 50 gear (since it makes no sense to you) but instead, you get lvl 100.

GW2 does world and character scaling so beautiful, its incredible. And not just that, it even manages to incorporate your party into your MSQ. I should play it again at some point...

For those have not played it, certain areas on maps all have an associated level range, and the game automatically and seamlessly syncs you to roughly that level. While a max level character is still powerful, that means the content in the open world remains completely playable. You can easily go on adventures with lower level friends without gimping their or your experience, and you keep your unlocked abilities.

[Kohashi]

GW2 does world and character scaling so beautiful, its incredible. And not just that, it even manages to incorporate your party into your MSQ. I should play it again at some point...

For those have not played it, certain areas on maps all have an associated level range, and the game automatically and seamlessly syncs you to roughly that level. While a max level character is still powerful, that means the content in the open world remains completely playable. You can easily go on adventures with lower level friends without gimping their or your experience, and you keep your unlocked abilities.

There was also a game that I played (can't remember which) that allowed you to share the quest you are doing. The person would also get it and see the objectives, requirements, and everything tied to the quest allowing you to help your friend. However, if you already completed the quest once, you won't get the full rewards for it.

[Merrigan]

There was also a game that I played (can't remember which) that allowed you to share the quest you are doing. The person would also get it and see the objectives, requirements, and everything tied to the quest allowing you to help your friend. However, if you already completed the quest once, you won't get the full rewards for it.

Swtor ? (need more characters, blblblblblblb)

[Kohashi]

Swtor ? (need more characters, blblblblblblb)

Aaah yes!! that was it! It's been a while since I've played that but I think that was an awesome feature.

[Jeeqbit]

Last time I played SWTOR, it did all of that as well with the level syncs and including parties.

FFXIV just went in its own direction after ARR rather than constantly copying other MMORPGs. I do appreciate that to an extent, because at the time them copying eachother was getting old and someone needed to do it different.