Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
Sorry but this is just incorrect. The vast majority of bulldozing happens against premades, mainly on Shatter. Remove premades from the equation and bulldozing happens only rarely.

We're not talking about players not playing optimally, we're talking about huge differences between team performance.

It couldn't possibly be down to skill issue because when random players are on the same team as toxic premades, the random players prop up the bulldozer and benefit from it. It just doesn't make any sense that the same players are who are low skilled when against a premade are suddenly high skilled when with a premade. The skill level of the player hasn't changed. What's changed is whether they are with or against the toxic premade. Therefore, toxic premades are the main factor for team imbalances.
What about what I said is incorrect? All of that happens, regardless of the presence of premades or not. I've seen plenty of matches where there is no premade on the other team, the alliance just plays poorly and is steamrolled. No coordination, feeding other teams, no contribution to any actual attempt to pvp. You look at premades rolling over other teams and say premades are the issue. I look at it and see the players who allow themselves to be rolled over. If you want to stay on Shatter, why do so many players bunch up in middle and seemingly have no awareness when a marked DRK is running towards them? I see it. I move away. I don't get caught in the draw in or use the wall to shield. But you get 10-16 dead. They can't or won't see it. And the opponent (premade or not) has BH now. And it doesn't happen once in a match. It happens over and over.