Ban premade parties in Frontline please

[PGuin]

The proposed changes are unlikely to happen. I wouldn't be in favor of them, but realistically:

1. A premade only queue is unlikely to fill a full 72 in a timely fashion. If games are allowed to begin with significantly less than the full 72, balance becomes an issue because tank damage modifiers are designed with a large number of players in mind. The only realistic solution I could see SE implementing is maybe fairly dividing premades among solo q players.

2. In the English forums, we do not see a lot of representation from Japanese players. I do not play much on JP but have watched a fair amount of JP frontline. JP commanders utilize sound effects, waymarks, and marks to an extreme extent, and the best commanders seem quite well-respected by the community. They will use these tools even as solo queue commanders without a premade. I don't forsee SE catering to folks on other data centers over allowing JP to keep what it likes.

[Exmo]

The proposed changes are unlikely to happen. I wouldn't be in favor of them, but realistically:

1. A premade only queue is unlikely to fill a full 72 in a timely fashion. If games are allowed to begin with significantly less than the full 72, balance becomes an issue because tank damage modifiers are designed with a large number of players in mind. The only realistic solution I could see SE implementing is maybe fairly dividing premades among solo q players.

2. In the English forums, we do not see a lot of representation from Japanese players. I do not play much on JP but have watched a fair amount of JP frontline. JP commanders utilize sound effects, waymarks, and marks to an extreme extent, and the best commanders seem quite well-respected by the community. They will use these tools even as solo queue commanders without a premade. I don't forsee SE catering to folks on other data centers over allowing JP to keep what it likes.

I wouldn't mind as much keeping sound effects in chat so long as premades were sequestered and/or waymark macros done away with. As it is however with the whole shebang, it makes premades insufferable to match with and against.

That being said, I agree with your final point -_-

[Mawlzy]

The proposed changes are unlikely to happen. I wouldn't be in favor of them, but realistically:

1. A premade only queue is unlikely to fill a full 72 in a timely fashion. If games are allowed to begin without the full 72, balance becomes an issue because tank damage modifiers are designed with a large number of players in mind. The only realistic solution I could see SE implementing is maybe fairly dividing premades among solo q players.
2. In the English forums, we do not see a lot of representation from Japanese players. I do not play much on JP but have watched a fair amount of JP frontline. JP commanders utilize sound effects, waymarks, and marks to an extreme extent, and the best commanders seem quite well-respected by the community. They will use these tools even as solo queue commanders without a premade. I don't forsee SE catering to folks on other data centers over allowing JP to keep what it likes.

Yeah that's a great point. So the solution is for NA/EU shot-callers to develop a style that better suits their foot soldiers.

IMO this would include:

Not using coordinates to indicate new nodes;

Not directing the team to a node just because it has popped (this is simply bad commanding but is common);

Not spamming chat with SFX (some are fine, but the overuse by some is obnoxious), same for unnecessary text.

I still find matches far more interesting when a handful of players make occasional suggestions, rather than the follow-the-leader deathball approach.

[Olskul]

This game has the most non-toxic community.

[Olskul]

Yeah that's a great point. So the solution is for NA/EU shot-callers to develop a style that better suits their foot soldiers.

IMO this would include:

Not using coordinates to indicate new nodes;

Not directing the team to a node just because it has popped (this is simply bad commanding but is common);

Not spamming chat with SFX (some are fine, but the overuse by some is obnoxious), same for unnecessary text.

I still find matches far more interesting when a handful of players make occasional suggestions, rather than the follow-the-leader deathball approach.

I'm yelling at you. Why do you decide for others what they need?

[Exmo]

Yeah that's a great point. So the solution is for NA/EU shot-callers to develop a style that better suits their foot soldiers.

IMO this would include:

Not using coordinates to indicate new nodes;

Not directing the team to a node just because it has popped (this is simply bad commanding but is common);

Not spamming chat with SFX (some are fine, but the overuse by some is obnoxious), same for unnecessary text.

I still find matches far more interesting when a handful of players make occasional suggestions, rather than the follow-the-leader deathball approach.

Agreed on all accounts. (I still think premades are children of Satan.)

[Mawlzy]

I'm yelling at you. Why do you decide for others what they need?

I'm making suggestions based on my experience of matches on NA. People are free to point out what is wrong with them.

[Garuketo]

As certain as the day is long, premades are the absolute bane of Frontline.

By far worse than players who idle at nodes, players who don't know their class yet, players who are just there for the XP, players who are allergic to healing.

By far more impactful than tiny potency changes or adjustments to job balance.

Premades completely suffocate any chance of fairness. They make a team dominate. It takes active effort and cooperation between the other two teams to deny them a sure victory.

The only people who like premades are people who regularly play in premades.

To combat this, any number of the following changes could be made:

1. Prevent premade parties from queueing to FL or only match premades with other premades.
2. Prevent players from placing markers on themselves or teammates.
3. Prevent waymarks from being placed within 10 seconds of the most recent waymark placement.
4. Prevent chat sound effects.

Thank you, and remember - premades are the worst!

These changes are what we need more of in PvP here.

We should also remove the ability to chat while in Frontlines, along with the ability to see anyone else's name but your own. The quick chat feature and name hiding from blacklist are already baked into the game and could easily be extended to Frontline.

The ability to see your Frontline win rate & matches played should also be removed just like in CC. Theres no reason to demotivate players by showing them their performance after games. To go with that, the scoreboard should be modified to remove all personal stats at the end of a frontline game and only show the symbol and color of the winning team.

[Exmo]

Why is it that people read "stop premades from completely annihilating the other teams" and interpret it as "stop me personally from having any fun in this game". Maybe they know won't enjoy it if the teams are fair?

[Menriq]

Why is it that people read "stop premades from completely annihilating the other teams" and interpret it as "stop me personally from having any fun in this game". Maybe they know won't enjoy it if the teams are fair?

I asked what your definition of how many people are considered a premade.