SE Please start caring about your players privacy.

[Dante131]

"we disagree so ur trolling and/or uneducated"

Nice take.

wait you disagree that collecting character data retainer info and so is a bad thing ? sorry i just read the last page. If yes oh hell then this take was good...
For the blacklist i dont get why it is limited at all i mean yeah yeah i got it to much would implode SE hardware bla but just give this a thought.

So you have someone who is a shoooooood person to you or just do something what makes you feel bad and you never wanna play with this person again and then there is a limit for 200 people like if you want to put another one in here make space for this person and allow one of the other shooooty persons be shoooooot again lol

[Kishin12345]

Weekly micro patches might be a thing. It won't solve the blacklist issues, but it might mitigate some damage by breaking the plogon in question. It could buy square some time to come up with a better solution. I know that Throne and Liberty updates weekly and players are quite satisfied with that.

[darkdyllon]

when peoples private data are being compromised, it should seriously be considered. like, look at valorant, there are hackers n such that bypass vanguard, but they are banned almost instantly. square enix should prioritize the normal playerbase, not mod beasts who only play this game cause of mods. people who say the game will lose 70% subs for adding anti-cheat are seriously just coping anyway, mods aside, this is one of the best RP games out there, way better than games like world of warcraft even. im not against plugins, but this one in particiular has crossed the line in my opinion and has shown the potential danger with them.

Honestly, Anti-cheat only harms the normal users/the users who responsibly (for how much you can do that I guess) use those "things"
it's like companies adding DRM to their new games, in 99% of the cases it harms the paying customer more than the pirates, anti-cheat is no different, it won't keep out the people who want to cheat, it won't make it more difficult either.
You can say "look at Valorant!" but also "look at Apex Legends!" "look at CoD!" both games are infested with cheaters and blatand at that, not subtle aimbot or PSI, but outright hard aimbot and the anti-cheat doesn't pick up on it, so an anti-cheat is more likely to be detrimental.

But also people freaking out about this, the new blacklist system literally makes them invisible to you, then can stand near you and hug you I guess, but you won't ever notice it, can't exactly "harass" someone if that person can't even acknowledge you anymore.
Also, blacklisting 1 person blacklists the entire account, so they need to either go free trial (which means they can't speak to you) or pay for a service account, which is roughly 13-14 euro's a month, and both takes more time than just "right click, blacklist"

[Eyrilona]

Besides, even the best anti-cheat is not going to be good enough in this case. This is about data harvesting from the network traffic. You could even just put a sniffer on your router and silently just scan what is going through, and then run it through some analytics code that doesn't even need to sit on the same physical computer as the game client.

EDIT: However, unlike the poster above, I consider stalking to be VERY serious, and the argument that you can just make your stalker invisible to you is no way to answer that. If you have never been seriously stalked, you do not know how far some people will go to ruin your life if you won't indulge their fantasy for them. They will watch who you hang out with, look which FC you are in now, spread lies about you to other FC members, manipulate others into passing messages to you or trying to get some information out of or about you, etc. When you are out in public, they may start badmouthing you in public chat and you wouldn't even know since to you that's blacklisted, but everyone around is going to hear it, assume you're part of some drama, and it is just going to ruin your chances to socialize normally. There is SO much more to being stalked than just someone jumping up and down in your sight and only making nasty chats at you directly.

[Rehayem]

Besides, even the best anti-cheat is not going to be good enough in this case. This is about data harvesting from the network traffic. You could even just put a sniffer on your router and silently just scan what is going through, and then run it through some analytics code that doesn't even need to sit on the same physical computer as the game client.

Emphasis mine. This is the place where anti-cheat wouldn't stop the issue at all. Even if all plugins went down, a separate app/program can be created to continue harvesting information.

Anti-cheat is not a magic wand that will immediately solve all the issues, this requires developer input, and SE has been slacking.

[Vrankyl]

Honestly, Anti-cheat only harms the normal users/the users who responsibly (for how much you can do that I guess) use those "things"
it's like companies adding DRM to their new games, in 99% of the cases it harms the paying customer more than the pirates, anti-cheat is no different, it won't keep out the people who want to cheat, it won't make it more difficult either.
You can say "look at Valorant!" but also "look at Apex Legends!" "look at CoD!" both games are infested with cheaters and blatand at that, not subtle aimbot or PSI, but outright hard aimbot and the anti-cheat doesn't pick up on it, so an anti-cheat is more likely to be detrimental.

But also people freaking out about this, the new blacklist system literally makes them invisible to you, then can stand near you and hug you I guess, but you won't ever notice it, can't exactly "harass" someone if that person can't even acknowledge you anymore.
Also, blacklisting 1 person blacklists the entire account, so they need to either go free trial (which means they can't speak to you) or pay for a service account, which is roughly 13-14 euro's a month, and both takes more time than just "right click, blacklist"

Normally I would agree with this, but the people who are petty enough to make use of the database that exposes your alts, retainers, and movement history are likely petty enough to buy new accounts to keep harassing you. Stalkers aren't known for being calm and level headed individuals and I've seen the new account thing done before. But now not only can they make a new account to harass your main but they can do so to your alts. Meaning, as long as they have disposable income you can't just hide on an alt until it blows over.

[Lilapop]

wait you disagree that collecting character data retainer info and so is a bad thing ? sorry i just read the last page. If yes oh hell then this take was good...
For the blacklist i dont get why it is limited at all i mean yeah yeah i got it to much would implode SE hardware bla but just give this a thought.

So you have someone who is a shoooooood person to you or just do something what makes you feel bad and you never wanna play with this person again and then there is a limit for 200 people like if you want to put another one in here make space for this person and allow one of the other shooooty persons be shoooooot again lol

The limit is goofy, actually reaching the limit is funny too.

[Rehayem]

I found an interesting read from a person named Notnite. I would link the website but that'd probably get my post taken down, but there's mention of the possible outcomes to this whole fiasco. To quote:

The exploit is the fault of Square Enix’s, in my opinion, but they probably won’t care about fixing the blacklist system. What they will do is unknown, but there are a few options I can envision:

- The tool dies down and nobody cares anymore.
- Square Enix kills [redacted] in some way. They have many ways to do this, from adding client-side anti-cheat, to adding some basic obfuscation in their build system, to turning on a compiler option that’ll ruin our work. There are several ways to kill [redacted] that doesn’t involve anti-cheats, though!
- Square Enix fixes the blacklist system, treating it as an exploit. I find this unlikely, given that the exploit is the result of a third party tool, and it’s likely more efficient for them to just kill the tool.
- The developer continues maintaining the tool, and it gains popularity. Like other third party tools, it is mentioned carelessly in chat, furthering the infestation of third party tools into Square Enix’s userbase.

[Dante131]

The limit is goofy, actually reaching the limit is funny too.

well it happens faster then you might think. The community is not the one it once was. Other send people to blacklist if they leave grps after they got the mount while tanking the floor the whole time. Reasons are diffrent in the end 200 is actually not a big number. Funny? maybe good? no surprising? also no

[Lilapop]

well it happens faster then you might think. The community is not the one it once was. Other send people to blacklist if they leave grps after they got the mount while tanking the floor the whole time. Reasons are diffrent in the end 200 is actually not a big number. Funny? maybe good? no surprising? also no

I was never under the illusion this community was some magical place where everyone was besties.