Midcore is NOT a Difficulty setting - It's an Investment!

[CaedemSanguis]

Did you quote the wrong post? I didn't say anything about time.

"level of investment"

even if the goal is to have fun, casual actually invest way more time than a good semiHC/HC group

[BigCheez]

"level of investment"

even if the goal is to have fun, casual actually invest way more time than a good semiHC/HC group

Investment doesn't mean time. A casual group will be more invested in the group than the content regardless of how much total time they spend progging the content. A hardcore group will be more invested in clearing the content than the players and may kick players for poor performance if it helps them clear faster, etc.

[Yeol]

Investment doesn't mean time. A casual group will be more invested in the group than the content regardless of how much total time they spend progging the content. A hardcore group will be more invested in clearing the content than the players and may kick players for poor performance if it helps them clear faster, etc.

Players can refer to themselves as "hardcore raiders" which doesn't only refer to how much they're willing to invest into raiding, but their skill level too.

When a static labels itself as "hardcore" they're looking for "hardcore raiders". So the term refers to more than just investment. They're filtering out players based on skill level too.

Which is the whole point I'm trying to make. Words like casual, midcore, hardcore can refer to multiple things depending on the context.

[BigCheez]

Players can refer to themselves as "hardcore raiders" which doesn't only refer to how much they're willing to invest into raiding, but their skill level too.

When a static labels itself as "hardcore" they're looking for "hardcore raiders". So the term refers to more than just investment. They're filtering out players based on skill level too.

Which is the whole point I'm trying to make. Words like casual, midcore, hardcore can refer to multiple things depending on the context.

Kind of, but I think it's more a case of a certain skill level being required for hardcore raiding. If someone can't play their job well, learn mechanics quickly, execute mechanics consistently, and focus for long sessions, they just won't be accepted into hardcore groups because these things are required to prog content quickly, which is the goal.

Someone could raid casually but be very good at the game and someone could have a hardcore approach to the game and not be very good. I've definitely seen plenty of both.

[CaedemSanguis]

Kind of, but I think it's more a case of a certain skill level being required for hardcore raiding. If someone can't play their job well, learn mechanics quickly, execute mechanics consistently, and focus for long sessions, they just won't be accepted into hardcore groups because these things are required to prog content quickly, which is the goal.

Someone could raid casually but be very good at the game and someone could have a hardcore approach to the game and not be very good. I've definitely seen plenty of both.

To my mind, when you're referring to a content being casual/midcore or HC, you're referring to a difficulty level

when you're referring to statics, you're referring to both a schedule & skill level

finally when referring to someone, I think it's best to use the time investment (even if you'll find "HC casual" and "Casuals HC" this way)

[CaedemSanguis]

Investment doesn't mean time. A casual group will be more invested in the group than the content regardless of how much total time they spend progging the content. A hardcore group will be more invested in clearing the content than the players and may kick players for poor performance if it helps them clear faster, etc.

So a casual with no raid xp, if he wants to "clear fast" then he becomes a hardcore ?

[BigCheez]

So a casual with no raid xp, if he wants to "clear fast" then he becomes a hardcore ?

Who is this casual player with no raid experience who thinks they're getting an early savage clear? These people don't exist. IDK about hardcore, they sound delusional.

[CNitsah]

Who is this casual player with no raid experience who thinks they're getting an early savage clear? These people don't exist. IDK about hardcore, they sound delusional.

A lot of them with chaotic : they litterally designed the reward for that. This is one one the most discussed problems with chaotic, raiders not happy of having a lot of casual with no raiding experience in their PF. They do exist. That's even why some part of the raider community thinks that the haircut should not have been a reward for that content.

[BigCheez]

A lot of them with chaotic : they litterally designed the reward for that. This is one one the most discussed problems with chaotic, raiders not happy of having a lot of casual with no raiding experience in their PF. They do exist. That's even why some part of the raider community thinks that the haircut should not have been a reward for that content.

If people are jumping in to the content without understanding what the content is or whether they're ready to do it, that's on them.

I think there's a bit of false equivalence here though. Trying to clear chaotic as an inexperienced casual player is not the same as aiming for a week 1 savage clear as a casual player.