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    Thoughts on the Hunt and Spawn Courtesy

    I think it's pretty safe to say that the Hunt is one of the more controversial aspects of the game. I would post this as a comment to another persons post - but there are already so many, so what's 1 more.

    As a preface: Yes, I do actively participate in Spawning and Scouting.

    - The Hunt was intended to be Kill on Sight. Okay, sure, fact. Praetorium was intended as an 8-player dungeon before it was reworked to a 4-player and the CS's were significantly shortened, in part due to player feedback.
    - Spawners do not own the S-Ranks that they spawn. Okay, sure, agreed. But let's not let it escape us that when people complain about 'early-pullers', it's because those 'early pullers' often don't put in the actual time and effort to spawn these ranks.
    - Players are not entitled time to reach each and every spawn. Okay, sure, preach. If I don't make it in time to get a hit in, then I don't make it in time to get a hit it. But let's be honest here, I can almost guarantee that ain't none of the ardent early puller apologists out there haven't benefited from Spawn Courtesy at one time or another.

    I have every right walk out my door, take a look at the first person I make eye contact with, and say to them "You are the ugliest, dumpster fire excuse of a person I have ever had the misfortune to laying my eyes on." But that doesn't mean that I should, and that sure as hell doesn't mean that I'm free of the consequences of the actions and words.
    As a U.S. resident, one of my biggest pet peeves is when I hear people try to justify all of the asinine and abhorrent things they say as "Free Speech" and then pretend that there is nothing that no one can say or do otherwise. That 1st Amendment Free Speech may mean the government cannot prosecute them (within reasonable limitations) - but again, that sure as hell does not mean that they can cry victim while they suffer the consequences of what they do and say.

    In that same vein, Premature Pullers cannot be punished by SE for killing an S-Rank on sight when Kill on Sight is explicitly permitted. However, that does not mean there are not going to be consequences for their actions. Pulling early may not violate ToS, but it's still a violation of social ethos, those unwritten rules of common courtesy that we, the community of players, have collectively agreed upon.

    And while I fully believe that these players should not be publicly outed - we can still recognize that this is still a legitimate issue that many people have strong feelings about.
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    Nuissance Behavior

    ・Expressions considered impolite or against common sense.
    ・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for others.
    - Most Data Center's have at least one known Early Puller. I know for a fact that a certain Early Puller on my own Data Center already has their Centurio Tiger, and yet they continue to early pull S-Ranks (ARR, HW, StH) whenever they're on. Then to top off they use a certain Manderville emote to show off their kill as people arrive no less than a minute after the LS relays go out.

    I'm not here saying that each and every player who has even pulled an S-Rank before the spawners chosen pull-time should be punished - but let's not let it escape us that most of the time when people complain about 'early pullers', they've got a specific player or two in mind who does it specifically to troll other players.
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    Now, what can we do about this?

    Obviously, every player has their own opinions about what should be added, changed, or removed from the game - I am by far no exception [I've made plenty of posts about things I'd love to see implemented]. Again, obviously, I realize that the developers cannot reasonably cater to each and every player.
    However, at the same time that doesn't mean that it's not worth the effort to take another look at and tweak the Hunt.

    Expand upon the Requirements needed for certain Achievements:
    While it's true that S-Ranks reward players with currencies like Tomestones, Centurio Seals, Sacks of Nuts, and Cracked Clusters - but players can get these from a myriad of other sources. Personally, the greatest draw are the Achievement Mounts (& Titles).
    It's only been fairly recently that I came to the realization that ALL A-Ranks and ALL S-Ranks count towards the Centurio Tiger mount achievement. (I know, I'm a little slow on the uptake at times) However, when it comes to the subsequent Hunt Achievement Mounts, only one expansions worth of A-ranks and S-ranks count towards their corresponding achievements.
    [Only Norvrandt Ranks count towards the Triceratops mount achievement.]
    [Only Endwalker Ranks count towards the Victor mount achievement.]
    [Only Dawntrail Ranks count towards the Ullr mount achievement.]

    - Expand the requirements for the subsequent Hunt Achievements to include "or Current Expansion".
    [Allow Dawntrail (as it is the most current) A-Ranks and S-Rank to count towards the all previous Hunt Achievements.]

    - Expand the requirements for the subsequent A-Rank Hunt Achievements to include "the minions of SS-Ranks".
    [Allow Forgiven Gossips to count towards the Norvrandt A-Rank achievements.]
    [Allow Ker Shrouds to count towards the Endwalker A-Rank achievements.]
    [Allow Crystal Incarnations to count towards the Dawntrail A-Rank achievements.]

    - Expand the requirements for the subsequent S-Rank Hunt Achievements to include "or certain Rare Boss FATES".
    [Allow Formidable & Archaeotania to count towards the Norvrandt S-Rank achievements.]
    [Allow Daivadipa & Chi to count towards the Endwalker S-Rank achievements.]
    [Allow Ttokrrone & Mica the Magical Mu to count towards the Dawntrail S-Rank achievements.]

    - Increase the difficulty for older Ranks, make them more of a challenge. Honestly, they die too fast - I don't even know all of the mechanics for some of the <90 Ranks because they're never up long enough. Many players suggest turning the S-Ranks especially into FATES, or at least something akin. What if S-Ranks had an ability that as soon as a player lands a hit on them, they get a debuff that syncs players stats down to the Ranks level (similar to a FATE, but you'd still be LV100 and have access to all your abilities - you'd just be doing them at LV70 stats).
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    Last edited by Xhadial; 01-11-2025 at 07:22 AM.