Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

[Alerith]

DISCLAIMER: LONG READ WITH MULTIPLE IMAGES. ALL SPECULATION.

I'm fairly slow on the uptake on these kinds of things, and I didn't even notice this until I was rewatching the cutscenes of To Kill a Raven.

After the first phase, Darnus invokes upon Dalamud to give him power. Dalamud responds by doing so, and Darnus begins his transformation. Not really physically different, save for his radiating red aura, one thing now stands out.

His name.

He goes from Nael Van Darnus, Van being a symbol of nobility to Nael Deus Darnus.





Deus, according to the magic of Google, is Latin for "God", "Diety" or "Divine".

This would mean that Dalamud provided Darnus with some sort of Godly or Divine power. Fairly obvious from how he worships Dalamud, but the curious thing is, in the world of FFXIV, the patron gods are the Twelve.

This leads to one of two theories:

Either one of the Twelve provided Darnus with his power or there is a thirteenth god that we have not been made aware of.

Now, in the GC mission "United We Stand", Darnus refers to Dalamud as "Him."

Ruling out Nophica, Halone, Llymlaen, Azeyma, Nymeia and Menphina being female deities, this leaves us with Nald'thal, Oschon, Althyk, Thaliak, Rhalgr, and Byregot as potential deviant gods.

Now, recently there have been sightings of the new "God Stones" that have a symbol of one of the Twelve on each. Using a map created by Duuude007:




A poster named Punainen states later in the thread that they form a rough circle (as viewed from the individual region maps). As she stated, this could be pure coincidence. However, in the spirit of speculation, let's assume they DO form a circle of sorts. Who is in the middle?


Thaliak

And where is this symbol located?

Mor Dhona, and the central location where the Crystal Tower is theorized to be located, or an area otherwise connected to Dalamud and Darnus in some way.


Now...who is representing Thaliak currently?


Louisoux is known for providing us the means of confronting the Primals, a goal both the Empire and Darnus shared. The purpose was to return the Aether from the Primals back to the land.

But as we see with Garuda, the Primal being defeated didn't return the Aether to the land, but rather that power was absorbed by Dalamud. Therefore, we can assume on a hypothetical level that Dalamud contains the power of Ifrit and Garuda, or more specifically, the Primals.

Now what if the power of the Primals is shared, and the defeat of one strengthens another? The power of Garuda and Ifrit would be fed into whatever is housed in Dalamud, and if that power is Primal based, that would mean a Primal either resides or is imprisoned within the Crimson Moon, or that the overall power of said Primal is contained within.

So...why would Louisoux have us do these things if it fed Dalamud, which shares a connection with the crystal area in Mor Dhona that bears the symbol of Thaliak, the selfsame symbol present on Louisoux's staff?

Furthermore, what EXACTLY is Louisoux doing in the 2.0 teaser trailers. He's shielding us, sure enough, from the calamity of Dalamud. It's also shown that he does something to us to remove us from the battle.

Is this to save us or to prevent us from interfering?

I figured that we haven't really had any reason not to trust Louisoux and his circle of knowing, yet idle speculation has led to theories, conspiracies and more.

Certainly, all our questions will be answered soon...

Credits for images from other threads: D3AFN3SS1337, Duuude007, Dhalmel

[neorei]

loved this.......


unfortunately, my mind is fucking blown.

[Allcars]

That was a really interesting read and the part about Louisoux, might be a back stabber or having ulterior motives really interest me.

[Mrfox0707]

Good stuff. Some great things are pointed out in the OP. Leaves a lot to think about indeed.

[MrKupo]

Something that confuses me is the general satisfaction with the results of the final battle in "To Kill A Raven" among Urianger and Louis. They both show up at the same time and nod at the same time (which makes me think that they are both in the same "Circle" of friends if you catch my drift). They acknowledge that the player has done good but we know very well that Urianger is very convinced that regardless of what we do, destruction is coming. Louis' plots so far have had little to do with the imperial invasion and more to do with returning the balance of the Aether.

Urianger: Warns adventurers of the coming destruction and urges them to fight on.

Louis: Warns the adventurers of the dangers of Primals sucking up Aether and urges them to fight them.

Darnus: Warns the player of the threat of a loss of Aether while Implying that the death of the Primals will not help (by stating that the Garlean Empire's conquest through killing Primals is useless when the land has no crystals (aka Aether). He urges the need of Dalamund to "purify" the world (implying saving the world is saving the Aether IMO)

So it seems they all know something but fail to see the full story in some sense. They all know something bad is going to happen but all have different interpretations on how to prevent it. Urianger believes we should continue as we have been and heed the coming danger. Louis believes we should focus our energy on defeating the Primals. Darnus believes that we are wasting our time with defeating the primals and that the destruction of civilization (how I interpret it) will help save the world.
We decide that the citizens of Eorzea take priority over the overarching issue.
Which is what confused me. I understand that Louis and Urianger are in agreement that Dalamund is not the answer, but why do they seem to believe that the stopping of Darnus' plots is reason enough to stop their own preparations for the upcoming danger. From what I can tell, all evidence points to Darnus not being the cause of the problems according to Louis at least (with Urianger being as ambiguous as he is its hard to tell his opinion on the matter).
I would think Louis would be more concerned with the balance of the Aether over the welfare of the world's citizens. And Darnus had the same intentions as they did, to stop the coming catastrophe.

So stopping Darnus didn't really solve the problem. If anything, it made the problem more likely by a third (by eliminating a possible solution though it may be one that is a bit sinister). Why would Urianger and Louis stop their plans? Or did I read some dialogue wrong? I could've sworn Louis said that he could stop his preparations.

[Mug]

As for who is controlling Dalamud, wouldn't the most obvious choice be Rhalgr the Destroyer? I mean, he is the god of destruction and his symbol is the striking meteor, afterall.

Your theories are a lot more interesting, though. I'm just throwing it out there.

[Veronica]

ohh FFXIV conspiracy theories this is so great! I hope your theory is true because it is so interesting. Do the devs really plant all these clues for us, or are we simply thinking to much? Soon we will find out!

[Jacien]

Some friends of mine also believe that Louisoix isn't to be trusted, and I can kinda see where they're coming from.

One crazy thing is how Lousioux was able to figure out exactly how Moogle magicks work by realizing that they could create Keystones from the unmarked versions, by nothing more than a glance.

Remember how the original rumors that the Archons were the ones who caused the Sixth Umbral Era? But they claim they saved everyone from it.

Things might not be completely black & white here.

[Altanas]

So...why would Louisoux have us do these things if it fed Dalamud

That bastard!


D:~

[Alerith]

I just noticed I spelled Louisoix's name wrong through my entire theory, and I'm honestly too lazy to go through the whole thing to correct it.

Consider my error noted. xD