Cloud PFs breaking TOS? Public statement is needed.

[Arohk]

So you join a party with specific requirements you do not meet and complain you get kicked?

Do you also join a "kill party" when you have 0 experience in the fight at all?

[Riletz]

So you join a party with specific requirements you do not meet and complain you get kicked?

Do you also join a "kill party" when you have 0 experience in the fight at all?

You've completely missed the point. I am not complaining for my own personal gain. I do not like the gatekeeping this two-faced community is doing on content that was specifically designed with the intent of introducing new players to difficult concepts. This is a huge, cascading problem for Final Fantasy XIV. The players who know how to play are insulating themselves in a shrinking bubble. There are people, many people, who will never touch Chaotic again— or worse, at all— because of the North American Data Center and its insistence on shoving out the inexperienced. Yes, the bodycheck is stupid. No, it isn't an excuse for this behavior.
If parse checking in Party Finder is not only tolerated but popular, we're entering very dark days for this game.

[ViinaS]

content that was specifically designed with the intent of introducing new players to difficult concepts.

One thing tho, Chaotic is definitely not for introducing new players to difficult content. They said it would be but screwed up massively. Making it a 24 man Savage instead.

It's far from that as it is super punishing to 23 people if one person screws up.

Heck due to 24 people I'd say our current Savage tier is a better point to get people into hardcore content than Chaotic.

[Arohk]

content that was specifically designed with the intent of introducing new players to difficult concepts.

This is definitely NOT content designed for beginners, this is above Extreme Trial level difficulty, with very punishing mechanics, that are also hard to recover from.
People die and spawn at the wrong side of the room, you can rezz them but hey can't get back to their position, then when the player swap happens and someone is dead or at the wrong spot the entire thing falls apart.
At least in savage you wipe instantly, but in this fight it can drag along for minutes rying to rezz people but it is already lost.

When i killed Zoral ja on EX, i took me TWO attempts to clear, but this 24 man thing took me three evenings and at least 10 different parties.

[PercibelTheren]

So you join a party with specific requirements you do not meet and complain you get kicked?

Do you also join a "kill party" when you have 0 experience in the fight at all?

The issue here is that they are very openly using third party websites that are against the ToS. The policy is explicitly "it's fine to parse as long as you keep it to yourself and don't use it to exclude people".

[Arohk]

The issue here is that they are very openly using third party websites that are against the ToS. The policy is explicitly "it's fine to parse as long as you keep it to yourself and don't use it to exclude people".

in the end it is SE'S fault for making the fight so punishing that one mistake can wipe 24 people, it is only natural that people want to filter out bad players, or you jsut waste your time trying to kill the boss.

[Polaritie]

in the end it is SE'S fault for making the fight so punishing that one mistake can wipe 24 people, it is only natural that people want to filter out bad players, or you jsut waste your time trying to kill the boss.

It's a ridiculous step up from extremes or other stuff. I feel like it's a lot worse than previous 24-man "hard" content like DRS or BA? It just cascades failure SO fast to a wipe that it feels like you don't even get to practice a mechanic unless people are perfectly resolving everything up to it.

The fact that you basically have to have everyone alive at the end of p1 to even get to play p2 at all is a massive wall to learning the phase (and p1 can just delete everyone anyways if too many people - or any tanks at all - are dead for Rapid-Sequence Particle Beam)

[Arohk]

any tanks at all - are dead for Rapid-Sequence Particle Beam)

The more you Know-

If one tank of a party is dead, another can tank all 3 beams with invul.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The more you Know-

If one tank of a party is dead, another can tank all 3 beams with invul.

Underrated information. This essentially allows you to handle the tank requirements for soaking the beams with just two tanks standing at her face using invulns.

[Arohk]

Underrated information. This essentially allows you to handle the tank requirements for soaking the beams with just two tanks standing at her face using invulns.

in theory yes, but if you got less than 3 tanks alive, the boss will kill your party with auto attacks.