Why does Cure 1 not become Cure 2?

[Azurarok]

In theory at least, the actual heal will reach the target 0.5s faster than Cure II would. But that's a really rare/niche situation to get into and normally would've existed alongside other more glaring issue(s).

Oh yeah no it doesn't really justify its existence. I also question MedicaI still existing for a similar reason. CureIII's an alternative aoe raw heal that's targetable and has higher potency, while MedicaII/III covers a wider range than MedicaI, where a single tick of MedicaIII's HoT would put it over its potency, and you also have Afflatus Rapture that's instant cast, dps neutral, costs 0 mp, and has the same potency and a wider radius. They may as well merge MedicaI into MedicaII and adjust CureIII's range and MP cost if needed.

[Supersnow845]

Oh yeah no it doesn't really justify its existence. I also question MedicaI still existing for a similar reason. CureIII's an alternative aoe raw heal that's targetable and has higher potency, while MedicaII/III covers a wider range than MedicaI, where a single tick of MedicaIII's HoT would put it over its potency, and you also have Afflatus Rapture that's instant cast, dps neutral, costs 0 mp, and has the same potency and a wider radius. They may as well merge MedicaI into MedicaII and adjust CureIII's range and MP cost if needed.

Another old feature that used to work because medica 2’s tick used to be half the potency for twice the duration (so instead of being 150 for 15 seconds it was 75 for 30 seconds)

So if used to be optimal to apply medica 2 once then spam medica 1 to cover high damage phases where you couldn’t afford cure 3

Now it’s just cheaper and easier to basically spam medica 2 or rapture depending on the situation

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

At the end of the day there's just too many instances and available tool that completely negates Cure I's usefulness, leaving a very edge of the niche-st cases that warrants its proper use outside being synced below lv30.

Waiting for next Assize also works most of the time. Heck even Divine Benison may also count as 'spot healing' w/ same Cure I potency as well and they come up often enough they're almost always ready for anything.

Oh yeah no it doesn't really justify its existence. I also question MedicaI still existing for a similar reason. CureIII's an alternative aoe raw heal that's targetable and has higher potency, while MedicaII/III covers a wider range than MedicaI, where a single tick of MedicaIII's HoT would put it over its potency, and you also have Afflatus Rapture that's instant cast, dps neutral, costs 0 mp, and has the same potency and a wider radius. They may as well merge MedicaI into MedicaII and adjust CureIII's range and MP cost if needed.

I mused with similar idea of moving Asylum's effect into Medica family spells but with HoT potencies spread across at about twice of today's duration (as a reference to the old Medica II effect). It rarely makes sense IMHO to reward you with Medica II at lv50, then almost immediately the very next milestone 2 levels later gives you Asylum which functions more or less the same except oGCD, even moreso since they buffed its radius.

At the very least this idea removes 1 oGCD to give WHM something else...

[Carighan]

I mean in a hypothetical scenario where the devs wake up, remove most of the oGCD ocean, make them GCDs instead and make fights actually require continuous and real healing, having a "mana saving" spam heal would actually be useful. Yep.

It's just that we don't take enough or consistent enough (mostly the second) damage to require GCD heals, of which there are very few while we have a whole array of various-CD oGCD options. We don't need our GCDs to be good. Or even exist. Hence Cure 1 and Benefic 1 make absolutely 0 sense as the game is right now.

[Nero-Voidstails]

It’d be nice if there was a way they could give Cure/Physick/Benefic/Diagnosis something that actually makes them worth existing. Idk what that would take but it would be nice. Something better than bloody Freecure or Enhanced Benefic II anyway lol. Plus they could actually develop them to be unique rather than direct counterparts to each other (currently it’s Cure = Benefic / Physick = Diagnosis)

they do called a DPS messing up a mech that doesn't one shot them. ok to be precise there sometime a DPS can get hit be a AOE and only take 20k damage knowing cure 1 or anything cure 16k I will use that instead I think it's even closer too but it always help to not lose to much mp for like 36k heal knowing the DPS will heal overtime

[Supersnow845]

they do called a DPS messing up a mech that doesn't one shot them. ok to be precise there sometime a DPS can get hit be a AOE and only take 20k damage knowing cure 1 or anything cure 16k I will use that instead I think it's even closer too but it always help to not lose to much mp for like 36k heal knowing the DPS will heal overtime

I’d rather solve that with my 10,000 oGCD’s or just let eos do it for me rather than resorting to weak GCD heals

[Azurarok]

tetragrammaton and afflatus solace are so much faster than CureI for spot heals too

[Supersnow845]

WHM just desperately needs something to do with its resources that aren’t pointless overheal on heal checks the shield healers are overequipped to handle

[Carighan]

WHM just desperately needs something to do with its resources that aren’t pointless overheal on heal checks the shield healers are overequipped to handle

Yeah exactly, fights need to start dealing real amounts of damage like in other MMOs.

[NobleWinter]

I've always thought the basic single target heals (Cure, Benefic, Physick, etc) should be instant cast. That way you can chase a racing tank with a quick heal that doesn't leave you locked in place. The Free Cure Trait should remove the MP cost from Cure instead of making Cure 2 free. This would make spamming Cure a literal way to save MP and offer the exact same advantage of the original Free Cure Trait (but better) since the MP you save could be used on Cure 2. If you die as healer coming back with no MP is like a second death as you're practically useless. Making Cure free would offer an obvious choice to get back into the action while you wait for your MP to Regen back to a manageable level. Healers have always been one of the least mobile classes in the game so this change would breathe a lot of life back into the hollow design of CNJ. Imagine being able to run from enemies while you heal yourself with Cure instead of standing there getting slapped in the face as a fresh CNJ.

As for Medica, Medica 2, and Cure 3 I think Medica 2 specifically needs a 30 second duration that can be extended to 60 if cast twice in succession and no hp regen. I would instead let Medica 2 place an effect called 'Faith' on all party members that increases DPS by 1% or maybe Determination by 5% to be more healing oriented but is essentially a buff you want to always keep up that alters WHM spells. Casting Cure on a person with Faith would cause 18 seconds of Regen. Regen as an instant spell would no longer exist. Cure 2 would have its potency increased by 30% on anyone with 'Faith'. Medica would cause an AOE Regen to anyone in range if they have 'Faith' becoming what Medica 2 is now. Cure 3 would still be a massive heal with a small range but increase the duration of any WHM skills by 15 seconds on party members if they have 'faith'. This would give all the GCD spells a definitive purpose.

-Medica 2 is for increasing party DPS by granting 'faith'

-Medica is your standard AOE heal that causes a party Regen with 'faith' active

-Cure 3 is your powerful AOE heal that extends WHM effects by 15 seconds with 'faith' active

-Cure 2 is a powerful single target heal worth slightly more than Tetragrammaton and Afflatus Solace with 'Faith' active

-Cure is always available as a free instant cast GCD heal that causes 18 seconds of Regen with 'Faith" active.

This gives the core GCDs a reason to exists and even prunes one spell in the form of Regen which could be repurposed as an attack if we're lucky and hopefully not something boring like Glare IV every two minutes.