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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    Wuk Lamat isn't even in my top five. No one is taking G'raha's or Alisaie's place up there for me.

    I'm just also not a whiny child who is still crying over a perfectly innocuous video game character half a year later. You're not bringing anything new to the table. CS3 already knows how people feel about the character and have discussed it. You're also not acknowledging how the scripts and cut scenes for these expansions get longer and longer as time goes on, making a comparison like this skewed in favor of a particular argument. Or how a name being said isn't actually indicative of very much.

    But go off, queen! The world needs to know! Again!
    You need either to look into a mirror, or read what you type. I love the game, I paid 35€ for the expansion and I pay 11€ MONTHLY to play the game, which I love. And it is because of my love for the game that I can clearly see its decline in story telling (At the moment).
    Again, if there is hundreds and hundreds of posts complaining about Wuk Lamat, there is a reason for it. It's you who does not see it. It's hilarious how you call others "childish" for criticising something they dislike when the only one acting like a child here is you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    Ooo, ooo, I wanna quote my post multiple times with the same response, too! It looks like fun!



    Why can't we talk about it? Why is it goofy!? It's only right we get to talk about it! It's a real problem and Japan needs to know about it!
    Are you okay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Are you okay
    I'm choosing to spend time on a web forum surrounded by the most miserable people on the planet. I'd say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    I'm choosing to spend time on a web forum surrounded by the most miserable people on the planet. I'd say no.
    Don't worry, you could be spending time on a forum surrounded by mindless lemmings that applaud like clapping seals no matter the slop placed in front of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    Don't worry, you could be spending time on a forum surrounded by mindless lemmings that applaud like clapping seals no matter the slop placed in front of them.
    Hell yeah, the clapping slop seals sound fun!
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    Wuk Lamat has more lines than Y'shtola and ...Urianger?

    Verily, this doth strike me as wholly unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViinaS View Post


    I also don't know why OP didn't link it and put up the pictures, but

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rom_arr_20_to/

    He did all that. Nothing we have seen comes even close to Wuk Lamat
    Isn’t that in terms of ‘how much they speak’ and not ‘what they’re speaking about?’. Looks to me like Dawntrail literally just CTRL+F’d ‘Wol’ and replaced it with ‘Wuk Lamat’. Every expansion ‘WoL’ is mentioned around 240-260 times(except ARR where it’s mention a whole 610 times lol), then in Dawntrail ‘Wuk Lamat’ is mentioned around 260 times.
    So if we’re unhappy that ‘people are all talking about her’ shouldn’t be also be unhappy at how often they talk about us over other characters? Like, I’d say this has been a problem with their writing since the start.

    If the argument is ‘Wuk Lamat is too important’ or whatever then uh yeah, there’s quite a few threads about that already. We already know writers done an objectively awful job.
    we also know Yoshi has specifically said she’s coming back for more development in future lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    So if we’re unhappy that ‘people are all talking about her’ shouldn’t be also be unhappy at how often they talk about us over other characters? Like, I’d say this has been a problem with their writing since the start.
    I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

    I, personally, think just doing that over and over and over gets extremely stale, but extremely stale is apparently what some people want. I don't think Dawntrail's story is perfect. Actually, I have some major gripes with it, too. But I'm happy they tried something different, even if it wasn't always as successful as they'd probably have liked it to be. I adore Shadowbringers, but I don't want Shadowbringers over and over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

    I heard some saying "well, we were mentor to Wuk Lamat and people didn't liked it, it's their ego-problem and not a story fault". What have we taught her?
    It's not a rhetorical question, after going through history, I don't know what we taught her. I understand that a nod of our heads is enough to motivate anyone, but that's not mentoring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

    I, personally, think just doing that over and over and over gets extremely stale, but extremely stale is apparently what some people want. I don't think Dawntrail's story is perfect. Actually, I have some major gripes with it, too. But I'm happy they tried something different, even if it wasn't always as successful as they'd probably have liked it to be. I adore Shadowbringers, but I don't want Shadowbringers over and over and over again.
    It's not so much saving the world over and over as much as FFXIV being basically The Adventures of the Warrior of Light. Yes, past story arcs have involved those aspects. But it's also possible to have more low key adventures. The most important thing about past expansions is the framing that these were the WoL's adventures. So the events were framed from the WoL's perspective. The WoL is the in-game avatar of the player. By having the events framed this way, we the player are able to connect with the world by way of our avatar's interactions.

    With DT, events are framed as Wuk Lamat's adventures. Many things are from Wuk Lamat's perspective. We're very often just there in the background. It's still possible to connect with the story and world from this sort of focus, like with a movie, but it's jarringly different than the perspective that has been presented in the rest of the game. And so people are giving feedback that they dislike this new perspective and this isn't the experience they want to have from XIV.

    They may decide this a new path they want to go on and XIV will no longer be The Adventures of the WoL. And if so, then I imagine those who don't want that experience will leave. They may gain some who prefer that experience. But it's not really clear how they want things to be right now, so feedback is given and we're kind of in a waiting period to see what their future perspective will be.
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