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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    Word count indicates nothing more than the count of words. There's no relationship between that and quality. Subjective analysis follows from interpretation.
    A word count shows how many words are spoken and in a story driven game it shows how often that character spoke in that story.
    Given the story is driven by dialogue mostly and given that the most popular negative opinion is "overexposure of Wuk Lamat" I think you can't disconnect numbers and quality.

    Also:
    The word count itself is objective and straight facts and saying this analysis shouldn't be taken seriously is belittling towards the person who did the analysis.
    Thats what I am saying here and honestly why I am a bit angry with your response.
    Saying "hey nice analysis but it shouldn't be taken serious lol" is utterly disgusting towards the person who did that.

    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    Please tell me you spell it like that, because you're a cat.
    No I spell it like that because english is neither my first or second language but with that answer you showed what kind of person you are.

    Edit:
    Given your response down there just makes it more clear.
    Yikes...
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    Last edited by Voidmage; 01-09-2025 at 02:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    The word count itself is objective and straight facts and saying this analysis shouldn't be taken seriously is belittling towards the person who did the analysis.
    I would call it statistics. In a vacuum, they don't say much. But it's not a particularly significant detail.
    The important thing here is that Dawntrail is a one-actor show where Wuk Lamat has the lead role. And she doesn't pull it off, since she's not such a superb character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xrono_Amber View Post
    I would call it statistics. In a vacuum, they don't say much. But it's not a particularly significant detail.
    The important thing here is that Dawntrail is a one-actor show where Wuk Lamat has the lead role. And she doesn't pull it off, since she's not such a superb character.
    I feel like this is a very significant detail, to be honest. Comparing word count like that gives an insight on exposure of characters, so when a character that has just recently been introduced has already moved into the top 3 spots measured by most written words, it is easier to see why people cry out about how everything is so Wuk Lamat centered.
    And while many people have only spoken about this in a subjective manner in the past (from what I read on the forums, at least), having an objective, measurable count like that can lend credibility to those voices where you can say that yes, purely objective, this is a statistically proven fact.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    No I spell it like that because english is neither my first or second language but with that answer you showed what kind of person you are.
    Meeeooow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    Edit:
    Given your response down there just makes it more clear.
    Yikes...
    Purrrrr~
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    Last edited by NamiRocket; 01-09-2025 at 02:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    I feel like this is a very significant detail, to be honest.
    Nah, I meant between words "analysis" and "statistics". Pure word-count is the latter, but correct use of exact wording here is not terribly important for discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    I apologize. I was unaware that me telling you what I think is tantamount to me preventing you from saying what you think. I'm always surprised when someone tells me I have the power to do that. I feel like such a supervillain.

    Please, continue thinking and saying what you want. I'll try to stop saying what I think, because I guess that's only allowed when I agree with you.
    Sometimes, I feel like you just like randomly going at people. My head is back in my hands. Do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    A word count shows how many words are spoken and in a story driven game it shows how often that character spoke in that story.
    Given the story is driven by dialogue mostly and given that the most popular negative opinion is "overexposure of Wuk Lamat" I think you can't disconnect numbers and quality.
    The parts you take as given are open for discussion - this is what I mean when I say it's how we interpret the word count breakdown. (I agree with you that OP gives numbers to the feeling many have that WL is overexposed. My first post in this thread makes that point.) I'm just saying more words does not equal more good or more bad, it requires further interpretation. For example, Hythlodaeus in ShB has a tiny number of lines but disproportionately became a fan favorite.

    Also:
    The word count itself is objective and straight facts and saying this analysis shouldn't be taken seriously is belittling towards the person who did the analysis.
    Thats what I am saying here and honestly why I am a bit angry with your response.
    Saying "hey nice analysis but it shouldn't be taken serious lol" is utterly disgusting towards the person who did that.
    I said it shouldn't be taken super seriously (I meant in the context of its discussing it here). No quantitative analysis worth its salt mistakes itself for a qualitative analysis. Quantitative analysis has its uses, sure, but in terms of discussing quality they're limited on their own. Everyone who does this sort of analysis knows this from day 1, it's not belittling at all. No need to get heated.
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    Krile having "Wuk lamat" is the thing that perfectly summarize how she was done dirty.

    I'm not surprised with the fact 24% of all the lines in DT are said by Wuk Lamat. The closest thing we had was Alphinaud in HW that had 18% of the lines, and he was our only permanent companion in that extension. In DT, we have 4 permanent companions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    Wuk Lamat isn't even in my top five. No one is taking G'raha's or Alisaie's place up there for me.

    I'm just also not a whiny child who is still crying over a perfectly innocuous video game character half a year later. You're not bringing anything new to the table. CS3 already knows how people feel about the character and have discussed it. You're also not acknowledging how the scripts and cut scenes for these expansions get longer and longer as time goes on, making a comparison like this skewed in favor of a particular argument. Or how a name being said isn't actually indicative of very much.

    But go off, queen! The world needs to know! Again!
    You need either to look into a mirror, or read what you type. I love the game, I paid 35€ for the expansion and I pay 11€ MONTHLY to play the game, which I love. And it is because of my love for the game that I can clearly see its decline in story telling (At the moment).
    Again, if there is hundreds and hundreds of posts complaining about Wuk Lamat, there is a reason for it. It's you who does not see it. It's hilarious how you call others "childish" for criticising something they dislike when the only one acting like a child here is you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xrono_Amber View Post
    Beatings shall continue untill writing improves \o/




    Ah, yes, by somehow concluding "we should have made Wuk Lamat more capable and confident from the start" in one of the interviews as if THIS is the main problem people have with her.
    By the way, when we'll get hat and hair support for vieras and hrothgars? Ah, right, we have no idea. So no, beatings will continue.
    You forgot the in game raid planner! Oops...
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