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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    I swear Dawntrail [REDACTED] riders don't know their arse from their elbow.

    Something something ''Reviews for Dawntrail don't count'' something something, yeah yeah yeah, whatever helps you cope, darling.
    This is hilarious. They say this forum isn't an echo chamber of negativity, but the second people see a remotely positive comment about DT they start posting unflattering pictures and calling you darling.

    The vast majority of players enjoy DT well enough. It isn't most people's favorite expansion but that's ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    The vast majority of players enjoy DT well enough. It isn't most people's favorite expansion but that's ok.
    I'll second that.

    It's not the best expansion, but it's far from the worst. I've enjoyed it a lot more than I haven't so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    This is hilarious. They say this forum isn't an echo chamber of negativity, but the second people see a remotely positive comment about DT they start posting unflattering pictures and calling you darling.

    The vast majority of players enjoy DT well enough. It isn't most people's favorite expansion but that's ok.
    > ''Vast Majority''

    Despite every metric from here to timbuktu stating otherwise. If you honestly, hand on your heart believe that statement then you're either ignorant as they come, or a brand spanking new player who has no idea what they are talking about.

    ''Reviews are poisoned water holes.. wow so many echo-chambers'' .. There's an old saying, if every room you walk into, smells like sh*t, it's probably because the smell is coming from you.

    Everywhere you go isn't wrong, maybe.. just maybe, that your opinion isn't the ''majority'' of all opinions, and maybe.. just maybe.... being ignorant and brushing off genuine critiques isn't the best way to go about things.

    How many more ''echo chambers'' does it take for you to realise, the only one inside any such thing, is yourself?

    Hilarious thought though, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    > brushing off genuine critiques isn't the best way to go about things.
    Haven't seen many of those around here. Mostly just people who get weirdly aggressive when you say you liked a videogame.

    Perhaps if you go through my post history again and respond to things I haven't even said here, I'll start to be convinced that you're actually the normal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    The vast majority of players enjoy DT well enough. It isn't most people's favorite expansion but that's ok.
    Agreed.

    I've expressed this opinion before, but to repeat - I enjoyed it for the most part. Granted it had plenty of flaws and I will concede that they overplayed Wuk Lamat... but otherwise? I don't look back on my journey through Dawntrail with any regret. In fact my two biggest issues with it were A: it didn't have any standout 'memorable' moments, and B: whilst I was able to tolerate Wuk Lamat for the vast majority of DT, her appearance in the Queen Eternal fight did offend me considering the dialogue clearly labelled 'us' as the "single greatest threat".

    Otherwise? It wasn't a terrible addition to the ongoing story in my view. Just not quite as good as what came before.
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    The response to the worst MSQ they've had in this game so far simply made the encroaching issues with the game and its lacking content more apparent. I've seen a surge of unhappy players in regards to the Tank situation and the decline of complexity in the basic gameplay of their Jobs (goes for more than just the tanks; DPS are in an uproar), the lack of engaging activities other than FATEs and Hunts (folks don't need to be crafters or gatherers to enjoy their content; I'm an omnicrafter and an avid gatherer so I can say that with confidence) and the barren feel to every zone due to the aforementioned content drought. A lot of folks want useless fun or new things to do that doesn't demand a relic-grind; Gold Saucer 2.0, a theme park, or something actually fun. For all the hype generated both due to advertising and the playerbase riding on Endwalker's lead-off, this comes off as a scam and cheat to the players. There's enough feedback to guarantee that the team knows what the players want, based on popularity, but the issue lies with if they're capable or willing to do it.

    In short: I think the game deserves to take a nosedive in numbers, which is what is currently happening. Square loves money but is terrible at managing or nourishing it, and FFXIV is their active cash cow that gets siphoned for the side projects, so if they want to keep that cash cow alive, 8.0 will have to satisfy the customers on ALL sides since DT seems to appeal to a quarter at best (being generous with that estimate; some people simply love crafting, PvP or raiding). The heads for the previous expansions may have had their names signed off on this, but direction suffered greatly and this is the result. It also wouldn't hurt for the FFXIV team to screen through the scripts, dialogue and yank the English team by the ear for some of the misinterpreted text jumping from JP to ENG (the ENG side almost exclusively had the most issues, from dialogue to execution to drama), not to mention just comb through the entire ENG team and tell them to get their arses in gear.
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    Last edited by Zelda206; 01-07-2025 at 01:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    but...EN taking too many liberties? What happened this time? What'd I miss?
    That's been an ongoing problem for multiple expansions now, where the english translation often changes the tone and meaning of the original japanese dialogue or completely leaves out vital information.


    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    How dare those filthy westerners sully the good name of our glorious Nippon by translating their words! When will the west learn!?

    Learn Japanese, I mean.
    Except it's not the "filthy westerners", just NA.
    Both the german and french translations do not have these issues from what I've heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViinaS View Post
    EN localization group taking too many freedoms
    How dare those filthy westerners sully the good name of our glorious Nippon by translating their words! When will the west learn!?

    Learn Japanese, I mean.
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    Last edited by NamiRocket; 01-07-2025 at 01:28 AM.

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    MSQ-wise, I, personally, hope they can turn things around - an expansion based in Meracydia might do it (if written well) since it would have familiar elements from our earlier adventures to fall back on.
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    Preach. These are exactly my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by ViinaS View Post
    My following take now is completely subjective and only speaks for me, but:
    I don't think they will be able to. I think they will stick to their formular and screw it up.
    I don't think this is subjective. We've been watching them not or barely reacting, leaving a lot of issues unfixed and acting as though they are looking for praise for the slightest improvements that were long overdue. Don't really see that it gets better, so if this is the course they settled for, they are going to screw up. I hope they will turn the wheel, but I don't see that at the moment.
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