Job Quests NEED to be Mandatory.

[Ascended_Demon]

I don't miss the point, because we keep to ourselves and only create
We play together, we build in our own free companies together. You don't see us
We don't mass-own wards. We stay in our own little place

Yet the removal of these systems will bring us great pain. So I instead suggest to improve them, rather than remove them

There is no system to remove, there is nothing to improve. This is an added system. You understand full well that there are people who will not listen, there are other people here than you and your friends. You are not losing anything. Your world will not end because the game is expecting you to do your job quests. Your intent is coming across as malicious because you care little about people other than yourselves. We're past the point of housing, we are talking about people who have the exact mindset as you who do not care about the negative impact they are leaving on others. And by your own words you understand this, what you don't seem to grasp is that no amount of "education" will stop people doing the exact same thing.

So tell me once more, why does it matter so much? Why does the game expecting you to be better take away so much from you?

[Supersnow845]

I have already explained my play case and you have glossed over it in order to spew this made-up argument. You literally posted nothing.
"Stellar Logic" yourself

And the comment I literally replied to is you suggesting to educate people not to remove the system. The idea that “we wouldn’t have this problem if you got non job stone users and simply explained to them why it’s wrong”. That idea is literally in your reply; educate don’t coddle by deleting the system

However if I got you in a roulette you don’t need to be “educated” you are just manipulating the system; ie you want to be playing without a job stone.

How am I supposed to know that you don’t want or need to be educated because you already know you are intentionally doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Why do you expect anyone else not playing with a job stone is actually confused not just someone using the system like you

Your entire “logic” boils down to “leave me to do my thing that gets in the way of others all other situations that this comes up it’s your responsibility to police the person” which is just the worst of literally every world

[cutestfox]

However if I got you in a roulette you don’t need to be “educated” you are just manipulating the system; ie you want to be playing without a job stone.
How am I supposed to know that you don’t want or need to be educated because you already know you are intentionally doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Why do you expect anyone else not playing with a job stone is actually confused not just someone using the system like you

Because you won't ever meet me in a roulette. And if you met someone in a roulette who genuinely is not using their job stone for a purpose, it's on them to play hard and make up the difference
The job doesn't make the player, you are just as likely to get a bard who is afking spamming heavy shot and playing lethargically. It is not always malicious
When you meet someone who truly didn't know about their job stone, that's a one time thing and a positive MMO interaction they can benefit from

You are not losing anything. Your world will not end because the game is expecting you to do your job quests.
So tell me once more, why does it matter so much? Why does the game expecting you to be better take away so much from you?

I lose time and effort forever. It's not expecting anything better from me. I gain nothing from watching Leih Aliapoh argue with Silvairre for the 50th time at buscarrons druthers for the archer questline for a "power boost" that does not apply to this emergent gameplay. As the game has supported for over a decade now.

Edit: In any case, I just wanted to say that a complete removal of the option by making the job stone mandatory does come with some drawbacks
I don't need to have convinced you, but let it be known that there are a subset of players who benefit from this a lot
The removal of choice will hurt the people who play within the rules of the game and don't resort to botting. The choice is yours to use responsibly

I will continue to advocate for improvements rather than removals. Make the level 30 job quest give a massive exp boost, attach a nice exp bonus accessory reward to it- find ways to make it so appealing that everyone can benefit from something nice

[TaleraRistain]

My main point was more so focused on the fact that I didn't have Lustrate in a level 44 dungeon from my level 45 job quest.. even under geared, it would've been leagues easier with Lustrate.

You wouldn't have it even if you did your job quest. The dungeon is below the level where it unlocks. If your issue is that Dzemael is 44, that's just the result of the ARR design past the first three dungeons of trying to have an available dungeon every 3 or at max 4 levels. The lower ones were 4 apart and as you went up the higher ones were 3 apart.

Also, what's your actual request? You said in the subject job quests should be mandatory and talk about stones in your OP, but you don't give the conditions. Job stones/quests should be mandatory when doing what? Queueing for specific roulettes? Which ones?