Job Quests NEED to be Mandatory.

[Merp0fc]

I've been playing FFXIV for around 4 years now, and I recall this being an issue while I was still a sprout where people during ARR/even late ARR would not have Job/Soul Crystals equipped, including me briefly. I didn't even know what it was until luckily in Tam-Tara Deepcroft(i was level 32 at the time synced ofc), a player was nice enough to explain to me. I was playing DPS, so it wasn't to detrimental to the party luckily.

ANYWAYS, I made a new character a few weeks back and have started replaying MSQ finally just for fun and to go over some funny lore bits and all that. But, while playing through content or even just trying to do dailies, I notice the forbidden Soul Crystal issue once again. While running dailies, I had a Gladiator in The Stone Vigil, aka the first dungeon to knock your teeth in in MSQ. I initially had tried to explain that they needed to do their job quest so that they can enjoy the game much more since they seemed to be having a hard time. I was playing Scholar, and though I am new to SCH.. the enemies were of course ripping through my shields like wet toilet paper and the tank was getting two-shot by 3-4 enemy pulls (also most likely a gearing issue on top of a lack of Soul Crystal but that can usually still be worked through with small pulls). I ended up getting yelled at for lack of heals and then just leaving because I simply didn't have the energy to explain the same thing I already had.

Another example, I had queued for I believe Dzemael Darkhold thinking it would be fine because I had done the dungeon a bajillion times on my main. But I was VERY wrong lol. I wasn't caught up on my job quest because I believe I leveled up RIGHT before I queued in, and didn't have Lustrate yet. That, paired with most likely being under geared just made the run miserable. Although, this is an error on my part (plus the iL range for ARR being kinda ridiculous but that's a separate issue) that run would've been way less miserable if I was FORCED to do my level 45 Job Quest before being allowed to queue in. (also not sure why that's a level 44 dungeon, but I digress)

Sorry for being kinda rambly about it but I figured I'd just give some examples to try to get my point across. I can see how this can be huge hinderance for people just trying to get their dailies done and can honestly ruin the experience for questing or going through MSQ. I remember as a sprout thinking the game was genuinely hard at times when in reality it's because Job Quests are ultimately "optional" since the game doesn't actually force you to do them. It's honestly miserable having to play through a duty when a tank/healer is missing half of their abilities and stats at their level, and it taking for ever if the "culprit" is a DPS.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I've been playing FFXIV for around 4 years now, and I recall this being an issue while I was still a sprout where people during ARR/even late ARR would not have Job/Soul Crystals equipped, including me briefly. I didn't even know what it was until luckily in Tam-Tara Deepcroft(i was level 32 at the time synced ofc), a player was nice enough to explain to me. I was playing DPS, so it wasn't to detrimental to the party luckily.

Sorry for being kinda rambly about it but I figured I'd just give some examples to try to get my point across. I can see how this can be huge hinderance for people just trying to get their dailies done and can honestly ruin the experience for questing or going through MSQ. I remember as a sprout thinking the game was genuinely hard at times when in reality it's because Job Quests are ultimately "optional" since the game doesn't actually force you to do them. It's honestly miserable having to play through a duty when a tank/healer is missing half of their abilities and stats at their level, and it taking for ever if the "culprit" is a DPS.

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

[NamiRocket]

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

[BigCheez]

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

bro really don't know how abilities are given.

Open you abilities tab, look the level of abilities and tell us what you got and miss at <50 because we are talking about an ARR dungeon.
it's not that deep.

Didn’t they say they were looking into decoupling classes and jobs at some point anyway? So it might not even be possible to ignore job stones/quests if they succeed lol.
Then again, they say they’re going to do a lot of things that never actually happen lol

After all the jobs in HW - SB - ShB - EW - DT ? I find -difficult- to implement new jobs in that way. It' simpler if SE get rid of the SC and add 7 job quests for the SCH.

I don't think the average player wants to level a class he does not care from 1 because they added an interesting job.
I'm not even sure I will play the limited job for that reason, does it start from level 1 right?

[Lilapop]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

My head? Back into my hands. How can you always have so much to say without really saying anything?

[NamiRocket]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

My head? Back into my hands. How can you always have so much to say without really saying anything?

Case in point.

[Merp0fc]

My main point was more so focused on the fact that I didn't have Lustrate in a level 44 dungeon from my level 45 job quest.. even under geared, it would've been leagues easier with Lustrate. I also said MULTIPLE times that there WERE gearing issues. It's not about the stats, It's about the abilities that are tied to doing your job quests. Staying "up to gear" while playing through msq is honestly a pain if you don't have enough gil to throw at the market board or are a sprout that doesn't know of resources to like Universalis.

The point of the thread was to start a discussion on better solutions to the issue instead of arguing over stats. ARR's gearing system is just bad, whilst leveling (since iL at level 50 can literally BE iL 50-130ish and most sprouts don't know about tome gear yet)
but the gearing issue can be worked around with small pulls as long as one has all of their abilities. Just because YOU CAN do a dungeon without your job crystal doesn't mean you SHOULD. It's not about the stat increase it's about having the extra heals, mitigations, or even DPS abilities. There's too many factors to argue about this class, level, here or there or whatever.

While most of it is a gearing issue, there's no reason you shouldn't HAVE to have access to all of your abilities at that level, as they're literally integral to your class.

[TaleraRistain]

My main point was more so focused on the fact that I didn't have Lustrate in a level 44 dungeon from my level 45 job quest.. even under geared, it would've been leagues easier with Lustrate.

You wouldn't have it even if you did your job quest. The dungeon is below the level where it unlocks. If your issue is that Dzemael is 44, that's just the result of the ARR design past the first three dungeons of trying to have an available dungeon every 3 or at max 4 levels. The lower ones were 4 apart and as you went up the higher ones were 3 apart.

Also, what's your actual request? You said in the subject job quests should be mandatory and talk about stones in your OP, but you don't give the conditions. Job stones/quests should be mandatory when doing what? Queueing for specific roulettes? Which ones?