Job Quests NEED to be Mandatory.

[Merp0fc]

I've been playing FFXIV for around 4 years now, and I recall this being an issue while I was still a sprout where people during ARR/even late ARR would not have Job/Soul Crystals equipped, including me briefly. I didn't even know what it was until luckily in Tam-Tara Deepcroft(i was level 32 at the time synced ofc), a player was nice enough to explain to me. I was playing DPS, so it wasn't to detrimental to the party luckily.

ANYWAYS, I made a new character a few weeks back and have started replaying MSQ finally just for fun and to go over some funny lore bits and all that. But, while playing through content or even just trying to do dailies, I notice the forbidden Soul Crystal issue once again. While running dailies, I had a Gladiator in The Stone Vigil, aka the first dungeon to knock your teeth in in MSQ. I initially had tried to explain that they needed to do their job quest so that they can enjoy the game much more since they seemed to be having a hard time. I was playing Scholar, and though I am new to SCH.. the enemies were of course ripping through my shields like wet toilet paper and the tank was getting two-shot by 3-4 enemy pulls (also most likely a gearing issue on top of a lack of Soul Crystal but that can usually still be worked through with small pulls). I ended up getting yelled at for lack of heals and then just leaving because I simply didn't have the energy to explain the same thing I already had.

Another example, I had queued for I believe Dzemael Darkhold thinking it would be fine because I had done the dungeon a bajillion times on my main. But I was VERY wrong lol. I wasn't caught up on my job quest because I believe I leveled up RIGHT before I queued in, and didn't have Lustrate yet. That, paired with most likely being under geared just made the run miserable. Although, this is an error on my part (plus the iL range for ARR being kinda ridiculous but that's a separate issue) that run would've been way less miserable if I was FORCED to do my level 45 Job Quest before being allowed to queue in. (also not sure why that's a level 44 dungeon, but I digress)

Sorry for being kinda rambly about it but I figured I'd just give some examples to try to get my point across. I can see how this can be huge hinderance for people just trying to get their dailies done and can honestly ruin the experience for questing or going through MSQ. I remember as a sprout thinking the game was genuinely hard at times when in reality it's because Job Quests are ultimately "optional" since the game doesn't actually force you to do them. It's honestly miserable having to play through a duty when a tank/healer is missing half of their abilities and stats at their level, and it taking for ever if the "culprit" is a DPS.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I've been playing FFXIV for around 4 years now, and I recall this being an issue while I was still a sprout where people during ARR/even late ARR would not have Job/Soul Crystals equipped, including me briefly. I didn't even know what it was until luckily in Tam-Tara Deepcroft(i was level 32 at the time synced ofc), a player was nice enough to explain to me. I was playing DPS, so it wasn't to detrimental to the party luckily.

Sorry for being kinda rambly about it but I figured I'd just give some examples to try to get my point across. I can see how this can be huge hinderance for people just trying to get their dailies done and can honestly ruin the experience for questing or going through MSQ. I remember as a sprout thinking the game was genuinely hard at times when in reality it's because Job Quests are ultimately "optional" since the game doesn't actually force you to do them. It's honestly miserable having to play through a duty when a tank/healer is missing half of their abilities and stats at their level, and it taking for ever if the "culprit" is a DPS.

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

[Gurgeh]

Agreed this is 'broken' SQX. Fix it. There are 1,000 ways to fix it. Pick one.
Same for soulstones.

[NamiRocket]

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

[Jeeqbit]

The game does tell you that the quests need to be done each time a new one becomes available. It's a big warning in the chat window.

I had a Gladiator in The Stone Vigil, aka the first dungeon to knock your teeth in in MSQ. I initially had tried to explain that they needed to do their job quest so that they can enjoy the game much more since they seemed to be having a hard time.

When I was new to the game, I did Brayflox as a Gladiator. That was the first dungeon to knock my teeth. A single pull (of 3 enemies) ripped me to pieces over and over and caused us all to have to abandon the dungeon. They advised me to unlock PLD and get tank stance for its 20% mitigation. I had avoided doing the job quests until the MSQ brought me back to Ul'dah.

When I unlocked PLD, I discovered there was no tank stance at Brayflox's level. PLD did not have it in that dungeon at all. And the stat gain from the Soul Crystal was barely significant (although individual stats are worth far more in ARR because they are not diluted as much as in expansions).

Fortunately, I had decided to also do what I'd done in other games this time - go to the Market Board and get the absolute best stuff I can. High Quality crafted gear and Food. Then I was fine.

My gear wasn't that bad in terms of item level. Now that I understand the game better, it was probably the difference between DoW and Tank gear.

But these dungeons hit hard regardless. They are leveling dungeons. We can endure them better due to battle system changes (such as the 20% damage reduction being a trait) and other battle system, stat and potency changes, but they are still leveling dungeons.

the enemies were of course ripping through my shields like wet toilet paper

That was always common in ARR itself, but moreso with WHM's Stoneskin. That seemed to be why WHM lost its version of shields. They felt pointless most of the time, causing it to gain a reputation as a healer while Scholar was able to produce stronger shields (crit shields). Which eventually brought us to where we are now with an official pure healer vs barrier healer distinction. But realistically, leveling dungeons are more likely to rip through anyone's shield, regardless of the job using it, so got to have other things up your sleeve like Whispering Dawn.

It was probably the combination of you still being in leveling gear (thus weaker shields) and them being in leveling gear (thus weaker Vitality and defenses). It's possible their gear was just broken as well.

[Nero-Voidstails]

to be fair with you I did a test with a alt and I was able to ready dazmel without any job stone and without unlocking sastasha even I want arcanist with all job quest done that I could so I still did decent damage but my test was to see how far I can go without doing msq and if I could unlock gunbreaker too. I did and I was actually surprised because I have the LVL roulette without any msq dungeon unlocked

[Mr_Gyactus]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

[BigCheez]

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

[Connor]

Didn’t they say they were looking into decoupling classes and jobs at some point anyway? So it might not even be possible to ignore job stones/quests if they succeed lol.
Then again, they say they’re going to do a lot of things that never actually happen lol

[Mr_Gyactus]

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

bro really don't know how abilities are given.

Open you abilities tab, look the level of abilities and tell us what you got and miss at <50 because we are talking about an ARR dungeon.
it's not that deep.

Didn’t they say they were looking into decoupling classes and jobs at some point anyway? So it might not even be possible to ignore job stones/quests if they succeed lol.
Then again, they say they’re going to do a lot of things that never actually happen lol

After all the jobs in HW - SB - ShB - EW - DT ? I find -difficult- to implement new jobs in that way. It' simpler if SE get rid of the SC and add 7 job quests for the SCH.

I don't think the average player wants to level a class he does not care from 1 because they added an interesting job.
I'm not even sure I will play the limited job for that reason, does it start from level 1 right?