Quote Originally Posted by brinn12 View Post
You're blaming the developers for VPR being excluded from PFs. This job was more than fine in Savage. FRU is its first on patch Ultimate.
Actually Viper was not really fine even in savage if you look carefuly at the statistics and consider every aspect of those fights : if you look at maximum(95%) potential damage in cdps on patch 7.05 on arcadion, you'll see only reaper was behind viper by 1%, but the viper was lower than samourai by a whooping 5%, monk was equal to samourai, and ninja and dragoon were the best(with picto of course). After that, ninja, dragoon and samourai were all buffed in 7.10, while viper and reaper didn't get anything.

And that was on arcadion, a raid tier that was clearly designed to give an advantage to the viper because there was a lot of movement where the viper could benefit from his uncoiled fury. It was alarming to see that viper was not the best by a big margin seeing how those fights worked and how uncoiled fury looked totally broken. Statistics on 7.10 patch are not relevant because nobody's doing this content seriously nowadays, so the viper has an advantage because easy to play and uncoiled fury.

So it was obvious from the start that viper would be bad in FRU, just like it was obvious that picto would break the fight if nothing was done, and it delivered. Viper is effectively the worst melee if we consider the entire fight even though he's supposed to have a big advantage in P4 thanks to his 40% cleave on burst. Even that is not enough to catch up to samourai who is the second worst melee on this fight. Which also clearly shows that the selfish jobs are always the weakest ones : Viper, samourai, machinist and even black mage if we compare it to picto or even red mage.

I think it clearly underlines a problem with the dps profile difference between selfish and buffers, in my opinion every selfish job should have a higher burst than buffers because it seems like it's the only way to mostly balance every type of dps, give them advantages in some situations or others, and to give them a decent synergy with their team. Currently, selfish just don't have any advantages. Problems always come from the idea that some dps should do "long term" dps, it was the monk 10 years ago and it disappeared, was samourai on Stormblood and it disappeared to get an insane burst, now they give it to the viper and it will disappear.

During endwalker, samourai didn't really have this problem because devs had already realized that samourai could never compete with other melee if they don't give a clear edge : an insane burst. Now that's exactly the same for viper, it will never have a good damage potential if you don't increase his synergy with his team's buffs. Same for machinist, same for black mage.