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  1. #381
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    I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

    This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.
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  2. #382
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdleBlood View Post
    I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

    This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.
    I think you're missing the point.

    No one cares about the player numbers as long as their are enough people to support an MMO. People care about the quality of the game and the huge drop in player numbers is a result of the low quality of the game.

    People want the devs to improve the quality of the game and the only way that will happen is if they realise that continuing to serve slop will not be profitable. People don't want bad things to happen to the game, they want the game to be better.
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  3. #383
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdleBlood View Post
    I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

    This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.
    Once your friends stop logging in because the game just doesn't deliver anymore, you will start to understand why the declining numbers of players is a problem. This isn't coming out of nowhere.
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  4. #384
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    It's about to drop 3 more people come August

    I play with a small group of friends, and we have all canceled our three month subscriptions which run out in August. After nine years I'm over the whole thing.
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  5. #385
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    I have gotten actually a bit bitter towards yoshi p's lack of apologies regarding anything and everything this expansion. the way nobody can play with people on aether. and dynamis was a failure i stayed on for more than a year, had to pay to get out. No conversation from yoshi about any of that, he's fine collecting the transfer money.
    i was also gone from 6.1-DT so i don't know if this attitude is new from the dev team but i really dislike it.

    also how out of touch forked tower as a whole was, even for raiders and the JP community. not even mentioning cosmic because..what even was cosmic?

    been playing clair obscur and forgot what it felt like to be so engrossed in a storyline.
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    Last edited by missTori; 06-25-2025 at 09:44 AM.
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  6. #386
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    I think you're missing the point.

    No one cares about the player numbers as long as their are enough people to support an MMO. People care about the quality of the game and the huge drop in player numbers is a result of the low quality of the game.

    People want the devs to improve the quality of the game and the only way that will happen is if they realise that continuing to serve slop will not be profitable. People don't want bad things to happen to the game, they want the game to be better.
    The point being missed in comments like this is "quality" as being used here is completely, entirely, 100% each person's own subjective opinion. The quality isn't "low." You personally just happen to not like the current direction the game is going. That's perfectly fine, but trashing the developers, personally attacking them, and trying to act as if one's own opinion is somehow objective fact isn't. It's just immature.

    What's "better" for you may be very much worse for me, and vice versa. When people can start stepping back and realizing they're advocating for their personal opinions instead of just labeling anything they don't personally like as "bad," you're more likely to have a productive discussion. But I'm not sure that's what the forum crowd even wants...
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  7. #387
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    The point being missed in comments like this is "quality" as being used here is completely, entirely, 100% each person's own subjective opinion. The quality isn't "low." You personally just happen to not like the current direction the game is going. That's perfectly fine, but trashing the developers, personally attacking them, and trying to act as if one's own opinion is somehow objective fact isn't. It's just immature.

    What's "better" for you may be very much worse for me, and vice versa. When people can start stepping back and realizing they're advocating for their personal opinions instead of just labeling anything they don't personally like as "bad," you're more likely to have a productive discussion. But I'm not sure that's what the forum crowd even wants...
    You cannot be serious. They even apologized in the PLL over the quality of service we have received. It has been slop.
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  8. #388
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    You cannot be serious. They even apologized in the PLL over the quality of service we have received. It has been slop.
    Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.
    • In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
    • In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
    • In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.
    I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

    People are spinning quality to mean different things:
    • SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
    • Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.
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  9. #389
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.
    • In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
    • In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
    • In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.
    I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

    People are spinning quality to mean different things:
    • SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
    • Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.
    Is not Forked Tower an example of a quality issue? Had SE told anyone here, including you, what the plan was with the entry system and difficulty level, wouldn't nearly everyone say: "no, you're doing that wrong"? Isn't part of a game's quality avoiding really unpleasant friction within the player base, thanks to content like CAR and FT.

    I agree with you that assessing the quality of certain design choices is subjective, but I'd suggest Cosmic Explo illustrates a lack of thought and QA in multiple areas. Scaling issues that punished low-pop worlds were completely predictable, and the consequences of fail states bizarrely punishing. The project leveling content is purely a subjective preference, but find me someone who enjoyed running around in triangles clicking things for 40 minutes, and I'll find you ten who were insulted by that design.
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  10. #390
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.
    • In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
    • In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
    • In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.
    I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

    People are spinning quality to mean different things:
    • SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
    • Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.
    Just like you're spinning every possible angle in the devs favor? Lack of innovation is lack of quality. Stop latching onto the meanings of words, you know everyone here means the BIG PICTURE as a core point.
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