FFXIV population decline continues

[IdleBlood]

I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.

[BigCheez]

I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.

I think you're missing the point.

No one cares about the player numbers as long as their are enough people to support an MMO. People care about the quality of the game and the huge drop in player numbers is a result of the low quality of the game.

People want the devs to improve the quality of the game and the only way that will happen is if they realise that continuing to serve slop will not be profitable. People don't want bad things to happen to the game, they want the game to be better.

[Striker44]

I think you're missing the point.

No one cares about the player numbers as long as their are enough people to support an MMO. People care about the quality of the game and the huge drop in player numbers is a result of the low quality of the game.

People want the devs to improve the quality of the game and the only way that will happen is if they realise that continuing to serve slop will not be profitable. People don't want bad things to happen to the game, they want the game to be better.

The point being missed in comments like this is "quality" as being used here is completely, entirely, 100% each person's own subjective opinion. The quality isn't "low." You personally just happen to not like the current direction the game is going. That's perfectly fine, but trashing the developers, personally attacking them, and trying to act as if one's own opinion is somehow objective fact isn't. It's just immature.

What's "better" for you may be very much worse for me, and vice versa. When people can start stepping back and realizing they're advocating for their personal opinions instead of just labeling anything they don't personally like as "bad," you're more likely to have a productive discussion. But I'm not sure that's what the forum crowd even wants...

[ChrysOCE]

The point being missed in comments like this is "quality" as being used here is completely, entirely, 100% each person's own subjective opinion. The quality isn't "low." You personally just happen to not like the current direction the game is going. That's perfectly fine, but trashing the developers, personally attacking them, and trying to act as if one's own opinion is somehow objective fact isn't. It's just immature.

What's "better" for you may be very much worse for me, and vice versa. When people can start stepping back and realizing they're advocating for their personal opinions instead of just labeling anything they don't personally like as "bad," you're more likely to have a productive discussion. But I'm not sure that's what the forum crowd even wants...

You cannot be serious. They even apologized in the PLL over the quality of service we have received. It has been slop.

[Jeeqbit]

You cannot be serious. They even apologized in the PLL over the quality of service we have received. It has been slop.

Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.

• In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
• In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
• In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.

I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

People are spinning quality to mean different things:

• SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
• Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.

[Mawlzy]

Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.

• In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
• In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
• In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.

I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

People are spinning quality to mean different things:

• SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
• Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.

Is not Forked Tower an example of a quality issue? Had SE told anyone here, including you, what the plan was with the entry system and difficulty level, wouldn't nearly everyone say: "no, you're doing that wrong"? Isn't part of a game's quality avoiding really unpleasant friction within the player base, thanks to content like CAR and FT.

I agree with you that assessing the quality of certain design choices is subjective, but I'd suggest Cosmic Explo illustrates a lack of thought and QA in multiple areas. Scaling issues that punished low-pop worlds were completely predictable, and the consequences of fail states bizarrely punishing. The project leveling content is purely a subjective preference, but find me someone who enjoyed running around in triangles clicking things for 40 minutes, and I'll find you ten who were insulted by that design.

[Jeeqbit]

Is not Forked Tower an example of a quality issue?

The raid itself is amazing quality. The atmosphere, textures and music are amazing quality.

The entry system is a problem and can be argued to be a quality issue. But there are people on the forums spinning what SE said to be an admission that every single thing they make is "slop", including models, textures, environments, music and raids. That was obviously not what SE meant and that's obviously what Striker was trying to convey as well.

Really systems design and stories are the most contentious issues people have, but that's only a percentage of the overall development, and saying everything across the board is slop is also saying models, textures, music, animations, sounds, environments are not good quality when they clearly are.

Just like you're spinning every possible angle in the devs favor?

You just seem to assume this about me these days without reading my posts properly.

[Hallarem]

Context was in reference to the sort of things the emergency maintenances had to fix, such as localization issues or Mech Op bugs.

• In terms of environment design, it's amazing quality.
• In terms of music, the quality is adored and they do concerts.
• In terms of dungeon design, yes it's super formulaic and many people find that boring and lacking in depth. But the quality of that formulaic content is nevertheless good.

I could go on, but the point is that things being formulaic or boring does not mean they are poor quality. It just means they are simple. It is like saying a suit is poor quality because it's pure grey with no patterns or uniqueness to it.

People are spinning quality to mean different things:

• SE probably just means things like mistranslated text or Mech Op bugs.
• Forum users are gonna spin it to mean that simplistic, formulaic, homogenized systems are the quality issue.

Just like you're spinning every possible angle in the devs favor? Lack of innovation is lack of quality. Stop latching onto the meanings of words, you know everyone here means the BIG PICTURE as a core point.

[Chasingstars]

Just like you're spinning every possible angle in the devs favor? Lack of innovation is lack of quality. Stop latching onto the meanings of words, you know everyone here means the BIG PICTURE as a core point.

Even I think your kind of misconstrusing that. Its very possible for the art and music departments to make really nice stuff, but the gameplay and writing room stuff has its issues. Like World of Warcraft has had patches and expansions like that. Stuff looks and sounds nice, shame about the actual gameplay content though.

[yesnt]

I don't care about the number of players. Actually I enjoy the game, having good times with friends. I understand everything could be better but cant follow players that prefer FFXIV going deep and deep with losing amount of players. It seems its not your game or? Wishing bad things to your own game is cringe as F.

This forum, every day same people complain about same things, invest your time in something better for you.

Once your friends stop logging in because the game just doesn't deliver anymore, you will start to understand why the declining numbers of players is a problem. This isn't coming out of nowhere.