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    Quote Originally Posted by CalvinDescoles View Post
    This is actually true... I've been sub for almost 10 consecutive years and never ever i've received such a thing ... ? It make me feel like they think subs are happy whenever they pay for it.

    But did this ever happen to another game from JP companies ? (Like Monster Hunter or else ?) Really curious if this is just cultural or lack of interest from them.
    But they do have that questionnaire when you cancel your sub. But it's just so .. poor.
    It's like a day's dev for them to improve it and flesh it out with some more questions, or make it multiple answer. It's like they formulated it 8 years ago and it's still v1.0
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    Judging by Google trends I would say the population decline, which is normal, shows nothing meaningful and it's only a buzzword to bait engagement/clicks.

    The interest for FF14 has been steady for the past 90 days.

    https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    And roughly the same in the past year: https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    Except for the spike when the new expansion launched, which was also to be expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Judging by Google trends I would say the population decline, which is normal, shows nothing meaningful and it's only a buzzword to bait engagement/clicks.

    The interest for FF14 has been steady for the past 90 days.

    https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    And roughly the same in the past year: https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    Except for the spike when the new expansion launched, which was also to be expected.
    That's the biggest reach I've ever seen to try and make this game look like its in a decent state population wise while in fact the population is literally going down in the biggest manner it ever has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Judging by Google trends I would say the population decline, which is normal, shows nothing meaningful and it's only a buzzword to bait engagement/clicks.

    The interest for FF14 has been steady for the past 90 days.

    https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    And roughly the same in the past year: https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...F064ln09&hl=en

    Except for the spike when the new expansion launched, which was also to be expected.
    Goggle trends only show how often people searched for that game and not how they engaged with it itself.
    The last month FF14 mobile also had more search results that would be included in the normal FF14 search.
    The there is also FF14 having quite a number of news articles since DT launched as well as people being just curious about the feedback DT got and searching for it.
    Even FF11 has no trend in google searches and that game is in maintenance mode.
    As far as I have seen WoW also a pretty constant search history despite it's... problems in the past but I don't know enough about that game to get a connection with releases.

    Google trends is not really a good tool to look how happy the playerbase is or how many play the game poitive or negative.
    Luckybancho is pretty much the best source of info we have available for player numbers and not a google trend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    Goggle trends only show how often people searched for that game and not how they engaged with it itself.
    The last month FF14 mobile also had more search results that would be included in the normal FF14 search.
    The there is also FF14 having quite a number of news articles since DT launched as well as people being just curious about the feedback DT got and searching for it.
    Even FF11 has no trend in google searches and that game is in maintenance mode.
    As far as I have seen WoW also a pretty constant search history despite it's... problems in the past but I don't know enough about that game to get a connection with releases.

    Google trends is not really a good tool to look how happy the playerbase is or how many play the game poitive or negative.
    Luckybancho is pretty much the best source of info we have available for player numbers and not a google trend...
    Just because you are unhappy with the game and you are using every waking moment to complain about it does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

    The fact that the game has a healthy trend signifies that people are actively interested in it and will be more likely to engage in it. If the vast majority would be as unhappy as you claim it to be, the trend will also reflect that.

    Considering that the trend remained steady without any major dips also shows that FF14 is still in a healthy state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Just because you are unhappy with the game and you are using every waking moment to complain about it does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

    The fact that the game has a healthy trend signifies that people are actively interested in it and will be more likely to engage in it. If the vast majority would be as unhappy as you claim it to be, the trend will also reflect that.

    Considering that the trend remained steady without any major dips also shows that FF14 is still in a healthy state.
    Except there has been a very unhealthy movement in the population of this game

    If the population has dropped by multiple hundreds of thousands and google trends have stayed the same that’s basically just indicative of people replacing “Is FFXIV the best game ever” with “Is FFXIV dying” on goggle or something of that effect

    Both pop the search trends, only one of them is good
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Except there has been a very unhealthy movement in the population of this game

    If the population has dropped by multiple hundreds of thousands and google trends have stayed the same that’s basically just indicative of people replacing “Is FFXIV the best game ever” with “Is FFXIV dying” on goggle or something of that effect

    Both pop the search trends, only one of them is good
    That is incorrect and it's not how Google trends work as it always compares it to peak popularity.

    If you look at Genshin's trend you will see clear dips in trends that do correlate with the overall player dissatisfaction with the game, a fall in interest, the company practices, and the general "outrage" happening in the community.

    A person not playing a game will also be more likely NOT to engage with it or any topics related to it. If you would play another game you would switch your search to something that actively interests you.

    In short, put your mouth where your words are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Just because you are unhappy with the game and you are using every waking moment to complain about it does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

    The fact that the game has a healthy trend signifies that people are actively interested in it and will be more likely to engage in it. If the vast majority would be as unhappy as you claim it to be, the trend will also reflect that.

    Considering that the trend remained steady without any major dips also shows that FF14 is still in a healthy state.
    Usually I would be inclined to agree with you on a point like this, but I wouldn't necessarily say that the lowest population point in, what? 4 years? is a good sign or a healthy state for that matter. Is the game OK population wise? Of course it is, but this behavior is still indicative of a problem, and it's only a problem that is getting worse with each expansion. We still have another 3 1/2 months, give or take until 7.2 actually launches, so we're not even halfway into this patch cycle, I wouldn't call it a 'healthy trend'.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 01-10-2025 at 08:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Just because you are unhappy with the game and you are using every waking moment to complain about it does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

    The fact that the game has a healthy trend signifies that people are actively interested in it and will be more likely to engage in it. If the vast majority would be as unhappy as you claim it to be, the trend will also reflect that.

    Considering that the trend remained steady without any major dips also shows that FF14 is still in a healthy state.
    I wonder if Google trends for WoW peaked when players were leaving in droves, or when Blizz was mired in one of its scandals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Just because you are unhappy with the game and you are using every waking moment to complain about it does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

    The fact that the game has a healthy trend signifies that people are actively interested in it and will be more likely to engage in it. If the vast majority would be as unhappy as you claim it to be, the trend will also reflect that.

    Considering that the trend remained steady without any major dips also shows that FF14 is still in a healthy state.
    "None of my friends want to play so the game is boring as hell but at least people are Googling it."
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