Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[Gurgeh]

We all lost the good MSQ and the lack of a field content zone. Don’t phrase it like this is a casual exclusive problem as it’s unnecessarily divisive when people here seem to think it’s the hardcore playerbases fault there isn’t much content for casuals because of arguments they dreamed up in their heads

And by your own logic how difficult do you want CAR? I’m not saying CAR’s difficulty is correct or anything but your opinion very much reads like “it should be the difficulty I want”, if they made it right to your difficulty specifications people who are just a little bit worse than you are still in the situation that you are currently in now. The problem is the lack of content and the back ending of expansion banner content, not the difficulty of CAR

Can people not do... Intuitive maths even...

Let's award points.
1 point for MSQ
1 point for the MSQ battles (only one because after that it's back to running sastasha and Garuda hard in the rouls.)
1 point normal raid
1 for the Exs
0.5 points for 1 alliance.
1 for savage
1 for ultimate
1 for chaotic

I'm ignoring non battle content except for the MSQ, but let's face it the role quests were at best a 0 also.


Now let's adjust for what was delivered.

So now MSQ gets a -1 frankly because it wasn't just bad it was offensively, no effort bad.
Jeuno gets a 0.25 , because it just wasn't the best.

So,
Ultimate raiders collect 5.25
Savage raiders collect 4.25
Extreme players collect 3.25
Non Extreme players collect 2.25

And god help you if you still find normals and alliance intimidating. (Let's hope those new beast tribes are able to make Game of Thrones look like Dora the Explorer.)

Please tell me you Fing get it now?

(And we are not even factoring in the lingering -0.5 for EW relics)

[ovIm]

F me. Yes. Because we've finally run out of patience. I know three people (they some Ex but not a lot) who re-subbed and then basically never logged in, once Xmas revealed what Chaotic really was. More savage.

Mate, chill for a bit, will you?
Taking away content in a game with a content drought is the opposite of healthy. Getting angry at your fellow players, who have no say in Square Enix' content delivery timeline ain't the way to go. Players who enjoy raids are not "at fault" for the amount of raiding we get in this game. This is solely on Square Enix/Creative Studio 3/Yoshi-P.

And while I can sympathize (my friend list is devoid of online people, too), removing Chaotic will solve absolutely NONE of the issues the game has rn. That'd be worse over-correcting than what CS3 do when something goes wrong, and would be unconstructive af.

[Gurgeh]

So let’s follow your weird logic

Let’s drop chaotic difficulty down to where you would be happy doing chaotic

So now your score goes to a 2.25/3.25 and anyone below you is still at a 1.25/2.25

PROBLEM SOLVED EVERYONE

Yes it dropped my edits

1 point for MSQ
1 point for the MSQ battles (only one because after that it's back to running sastasha and Garuda hard in the rouls.)
1 point normal raid
1 for the Exs
0.5 points for 1 alliance.
1 for savage
1 for ultimate
1 for chaotic

I'm ignoring non battle content except for the MSQ, but let's face it the role quests were at best a 0 also.


Now let's adjust for what was delivered.

So now MSQ gets a -1 frankly because it wasn't just bad it was offensively, no effort bad.
Jeuno gets a 0.25 , because it just wasn't the best.

So,
Ultimate raiders collect 5.25
Savage raiders collect 4.25
Extreme players collect 3.25
Non Extreme players collect 2.25

...

Lets not pretend the above is about 'logic' its a illustration tool at best no more. A coloured pen.

(bloody pedants.)

[Supersnow845]

Yes it dropped my edits

1 point for MSQ
1 point for the MSQ battles (only one because after that it's back to running sastasha and Garuda hard in the rouls.)
1 point normal raid
1 for the Exs
0.5 points for 1 alliance.
1 for savage
1 for ultimate
1 for chaotic

I'm ignoring non battle content except for the MSQ, but let's face it the role quests were at best a 0 also.


Now let's adjust for what was delivered.

So now MSQ gets a -1 frankly because it wasn't just bad it was offensively, no effort bad.
Jeuno gets a 0.25 , because it just wasn't the best.

So,
Ultimate raiders collect 5.25
Savage raiders collect 4.25
Extreme players collect 3.25
Non Extreme players collect 2.25

...

Lets not pretend the above is about 'logic' its a illustration tool at best no more. A coloured pen.

(bloody pedants.)

This is still completely meaningless because all it illustrates is that you get the most “bang for your buck” for making 100% of your content a dungeon because then everyone gets 5.25/5.25 points (assuming people play every content level below the highest they play which itself is a flawed assumption)

Wherever you place CAR someone will miss out and won’t get the benefit you get from putting it at a point that you would complete it

Trying to divy up limited content when the problem is lack of content benefits nobody

[LateNightSuki]

I don't understand this thread reading through it. You can literally choose to be a better player if you want to be and then you have more access to more content. There are thousands of player made resources for jobs and fights, there are people you can ask about anything almost on the fly in dedicated discord servers, you can gather people at your skill level to attempt harder content through a server or PF and practice whatever you want over and over until you clear. I don't understand why people are so adverse to improving their own performance in this game. Yes there are skillcaps but there are also people who are willing to give you an extra hand, extra callouts, whatever you need.

If the issue is unlockables you can.... just wait until the next expansion and go back to it? You can literally buy the CAR rewards on the MB right now, there are plenty of casual ways to make tons of gil. Social/RP events, crafting, gathering, GPosing, housing, maps, etc.

Guys there is content right here for you to do lol, pick up your controller or KB&M and just sit down and learn. If you don't have the time then I don't really know how you have the time for an MMO in the first place tbh.

[Gurgeh]

Mate, chill for a bit, will you?
Taking away content in a game with a content drought is the opposite of healthy. Getting angry at your fellow players, who have no say in Square Enix' content delivery timeline ain't the way to go. Players who enjoy raids are not "at fault" for the amount of raiding we get in this game. This is solely on Square Enix/Creative Studio 3/Yoshi-P.

And while I can sympathize (my friend list is devoid of online people, too), removing Chaotic will solve absolutely NONE of the issues the game has rn. That'd be worse over-correcting than what CS3 do when something goes wrong, and would be unconstructive af.

Your right. And while I normally prefer to take the view that everyone is wrong about everything and the truth lies at many points somewhere in between depending on your perspective, I'm running out of patience with 'myself'.

Because while many high end have been sympathetic, its mostly just a bit of diplomatic fence sitting, and some of the these other high end view points come down to, "I'm going to weigh in on something that shouldn't affect me, because no one is yet arguing to take touch even a hair on high-ends head, and I'm going to try and spoil casual's fun too". And so they start an argument, denigrating a viewpoint that's got nothing much to do with them, and so ehhh.... I'm to apathetic to make the effort to remain apathetic.

We've waited forever for cross DC PF which continues to destroy communities as we speak.
We skipped an entire bozja.
They should should have just delayed Chaotic, when they saw what they'd made, and said "we'll be back in four months time." If we can wait for those other matters we can wait another 4 months for content we aren't missing anyway. (If I was high end I'd be pissed that I waited so long end of expansion, and then savage, ultimate, and chaotic all come back to back, and are you going to leave me with nothing again at the end of this expansion? wtf are you thinking? Or are savage players getting another 2 chaotics this expansion?)

Your righ ovIm, but I can't be bothered to hold my tongue when I see a another casual being attacked for asking for improvements.

[Mawlzy]

I don't understand this thread reading through it. You can literally choose to be a better player if you want to be and then you have more access to more content. There are thousands of player made resources for jobs and fights, there are people you can ask about anything almost on the fly in dedicated discord servers, you can gather people at your skill level to attempt harder content through a server or PF and practice whatever you want over and over until you clear. I don't understand why people are so adverse to improving their own performance in this game. Yes there are skillcaps but there are also people who are willing to give you an extra hand, extra callouts, whatever you need.

If the issue is unlockables you can.... just wait until the next expansion and go back to it? You can literally buy the CAR rewards on the MB right now, there are plenty of casual ways to make tons of gil. Social/RP events, crafting, gathering, GPosing, housing, maps, etc.

Guys there is content right here for you to do lol, pick up your controller or KB&M and just sit down and learn. If you don't have the time then I don't really know how you have the time for an MMO in the first place tbh.

Okay, but I get a bit puzzled by the abbreviations and terminology in PF.

For example, let's suppose I wanted to get into savage and set up a prog party for M1S. I think it's important I attempt I find a group with a comparable skill level. So what is the shorthand for:

Must have wiped in Worqor Zormor at least 20 times with Duty Support before clearing?

Any other info I should include that fully communicates my ineptitude so I hook up with like-skilled souls?

[Gurgeh]

Mate, chill for a bit, will you?
Taking away content in a game with a content drought is the opposite of healthy. Getting angry at your fellow players,...

So OvIm...

nd when casuals dare to speak up about the treatment from community and developer alike, they're told to "shut up and quit then, more for us".

Again literally nobody has ever said that to casual players saying 7.x doesn’t have enough casual content

Ignoring whether Supersnow is actually just trolling (and I don' think they are, I just think they just believe that when they don't have enough data, their assumption is clearly the correct one. I didn't hear the conversation personally, AND I don't think it happened and you are lying.)

Who is right? And who is wrong? Because it is NOT both of them. Either Aldorouge is wilfully lieing and making shit up? Or Supersnow is being and idjut in declaring something never happened just because 'they' were not witness to it... and needs to STFU.

But which is it? And I notice you didn't weigh in on them, and did on me - the casual.
I don't take offence, and you are absolutely right, that I need to chill
But I'm not 'impressed' by people who 'sit-on-the-fences'.
So which is it?

[LateNightSuki]

Okay, but I get a bit puzzled by the abbreviations and terminology in PF.

For example, let's suppose I wanted to get into savage and set up a prog party for M1S. I think it's important I attempt I find a group with a comparable skill level. So what is the shorthand for:

Must have wiped in Worqor Zormor at least 20 times with Duty Support before clearing?

Any other info I should include that fully communicates my ineptitude so I hook up with like-skilled souls?

Okay, so learn and memorize them. Like I more or less said, make the effort to learn.

Why are you overcomplicating it? You can literally say you haven't done the fight before, or that you're a beginner raider and there will be groups doing it blind or looking for newcomers who will pick you up.

[Supersnow845]

So OvIm...





Ignoring whether Supersnow is actually just trolling (and I don' think they are, I just think they just believe that when they don't have enough data, their assumption is clearly the correct one. I didn't hear the conversation personally, AND I don't think it happened and you are lying.)

Who is right? And who is wrong? Because it is NOT both of them. Either Aldorouge is wilfully lieing and making shit up? Or Supersnow is being and idjut in declaring something never happened just because 'they' were not witness to it... and needs to STFU.

But which is it? And I notice you didn't weigh in on them, and did on me - the casual.
I don't take offence, and you are absolutely right, that I need to chill
But I'm not 'impressed' by people who 'sit-on-the-fences'.
So which is it?

Have you noticed that in none of these threads about the casual/hardcore argument have people professing to be hardcore actually told people to quit due to lack of casual content because they believe it will get them more hardcore content

I’m making that assumption because over the years I’ve bounced between both sides and the “arguments” being made by some of the casuals simply don’t align with how hardcore players think, they align with how a casual trying to strawman a hardcore player thinks a hardcore player thinks.

Like the whole “more content for me if you quit”, no hardcore player wants nothing but hardcore content, it burns you out. Hardcore players lamented the loss of a “destress” activity like Bozja as much as casuals lamented the lack of content in EW. As a long term player I also know square would never make more hardcore content because they have less casual players and all raiders know that casual players are the backbone of the game. Nobody (unless you can find me an example because I sure as hell can’t) is saying casuals have enough content in 7.x

These “arguments” just don’t make any sense