Nerf Chaotic

[Avoidy]

Keep it, but make Alliance Raid (Unreal) next. Let us run through Orbonne or Dun Scaith with our level 100 kit, and then boost the potencies/hp values so it scales and feels like a proper fight and not a thing where people skip hella mechanics and steamroll it. Make the mechanics come out faster than the msq version (no tutorial phase; we've all done these raids before anyway) so we get to see parts of the fight that we don't normally see and jump straight into the meat of the encounters. Maybe even randomize the mechanics so it feels... chaotic, if you will. Release multiple alliance raid unreals, but keep the old alliance raid unreals in the game and make it its own alliance-raid-unreal roulette. Rewards can include dyeable versions of the formerly undyeable outfits, as well as pity tokens (unique to each raid) so people who're unlucky can just run it ten times and trade it in for the piece they want or whatever. Even crystal tower could be fun in here because you'd have your whole kit and the mechanics would be retooled/reworked to be engaging and meaningful. Would it be hard work? Sure. Is it perfect? Nah. Rewards could probably be added to, idk. I'm not a content designer. But I think it'd be enjoyable for more than just 15% of the population or w/e, so I think it'd be worth doing.

No reason to nerf what already exists. Chaotic's already here. There're people who like it. Let them keep what they enjoy ffs. But the devs should've known that a lot of alliance raid enjoyers are casual players who enjoy the low stakes silliness of alliance raids but just wanted something with a little more oomph after the Endwalker alliance raids failed to engage most people (besides aglaia, which was quite fun on release but quickly fell off due to gear creep). I think that's where a lot of the "make harder 24mans" energy came from. Jeuno sorta scratched that itch, just a shame that the glams were hideous. Either way I think it was a mistake to brand chaotic as an alliance raid; all they did was excite people who tend to avoid harder stuff, and then those people got in and realized this was more of that hard stuff and were probably disappointed. And who can blame them? Ever since DT ended, it's just been an endless love letter to that masochistic 25% of the player base who love busting their balls in PF. Imagine if forays disappoint all these people who've been hungry for something that isn't more scripted raidslop. A grim thought, indeed. 2025 really needs to come out swinging with a cool foray and a dope ass deep dungeon and some beautiful relics and all those housing quality of life updates, otherwise the nonraider folks are gonna be left high and dry for like the 5th time in a row lmao

[Kaurhz]

A nerf is not necessary, but I do think at the very least an unreal version is for their next iteration of chaotic, or just an extra layer of difficulty.

[Xerosleep]

Horrible take, if you want an easy 24 man go do Jeuno: The First Walk, You can even wipe in that. This was always advertised at Extreme bordering on Savage. In fact if i recall they originally had Crystal Tower designed to be hard but then made it the catch up content so here go. It gives BIS ilvl gear. and to be fair it's really not that hard, people more need to get over the fact wipes happen in hard content. The fight itself is 10/10 i like how it starts with fairly easy mechs in Phase 1 but theyre back to back to back so feels very extreme like and then we get the transformation in P2 to E9S (though slightly easier). which is just beautiful, I love how the adds actually or more just part of the main boss and not adds that just die quickly and do nothing. Then back to the 1st phase for the end in a kinda "dont choke now" homerun bit. The fight is a masterclass in fight design and i hope they do more like this in the future. SO well done Mr Ozma.

[UkcsAlias]

it has also brought out the absolute worst in the pf. I actually got kicked for a From a "from start" pf for dying a few times to prog on p1. its absolutely crazy

From start is not the same as blind. A very important distinction.

There are enough guides out that explain the mechanics in detail that you shouldnt struggle too much in phase 1.

[ScoutUnit]

It all can be done by just one sentence: ,,I have skill issue and i am absolutely no patient to do reclears! Please help me,,

You have just multiple posts about how chaotic is hard etc etc its NOT. i repeat NOT DEVS PROBLEM wake up bro.

[Themarvin]

let it be DF only and not custom group in PF then, that would fix it, only way to do it, is to queu in with randoms and top of the cherry, make it so you can only join in with 4 people grouped.

[ExiaKuromonji]

omg. I just read all of his replies and regret it. No more time wasted on this obvious troll.

[TalonBlades]

The content, itself, is not actually difficult. The real difficulty is people managment, and it having body checks, and people knowing there main jobs and how to play properly.

Yes it is clearable in PF, I have helped many prog into kill, or enrage kills, and got many an extra from this fight.
I think you are misguided, and have a lot to lean youngone.

[Derio]

People wanted an extreme version of an alliance raid. Not a savage version.

This is another big problem on SE. They cant seem to find the middle ground in difficulty to ease players into the endgame savage content. I feel like phase 2 could have been done better.

[Haami]

this is so pathetic LMAO.