Chaotic Alliance Raid: More Content for Professional Gamers

[Khryseis_Astra]

Just got to make sure the rest of the alliance is in the same boat (or has already cleared). That's an issue even with extreme trials. Sometimes you will get a party that is completely hopeless even in the easiest extreme trials (Barb was a good example because it was very easy), while other times a party would just destroy it in one pull (also happened with Barb sometimes). You just have to try different parties each day until one is decent.

My experience of Barb in PF was awful! lol but you’re right in that once you find a good group, it makes it so much better. The difference between that and Chaotic is finding a group of 23 other people, each of which has the potential to wipe the raid with one mistake. I’ve been very fortunate on Crystal so far… mostly chill parties that will help those who are struggling understand the mechs. But the longer people go without a clear, the most saltiness starts seeping in.

If it remains that big of an issue I'm sure discords will pop up for it like with BA and DRS. And those discords are literally there to help you, put good players in important roles (like tanking) and provide guides and callouts that make it simple. They are not a clique.

I wonder if that will become a popular option, since the content is quite different… BA and DRS are basically “one and done” (unless you’re upgrading to the final tier of Eureka gear, and from what I remember there’s not really much reason to do that anymore). For most people, you get a mount from the achievement and it’s done. Chaotic rewards need to be farmed, because you’re not guaranteed anything from just one run. Assuming you have a full party of first-time clears, you get enough totems to get the hairstyle I think? But it’s 6 runs for a full set of gear, and 50 for the higher totem mount. Are groups like that really going to facilitate multiple runs? It seems like a really big time investment, taking first-timers all the way through.

Honestly I hope they allow it to be unsynced in the future. The gear is basically glam anyways. It’s the same ilevel as augmented tome gear. Once the next tome/Savage gear comes out it will be obsolete as far as stats go. And I wouldn’t put it on the same prestige level of a glowy weapon from an Ultimate. It’s essentially a Savage glam set with a couple mounts, and we’ve always been able to unsync that level of content later on. Personally I’m aiming to get the 6 clears needed for my gear. I’ll have to give some serious thought to whether I want to endure the grind for the Cloud mount if they don’t unsync it in the future.

[Jeeqbit]

is there already a discord like this atleast?

I've seen at least 2 linked across data centers. I don't remember what they were. I'm sure whichever ones get popular enough will become big enough to be linked by people regularly.

I wonder if that will become a popular option, since the content is quite different… BA and DRS are basically “one and done” (unless you’re upgrading to the final tier of Eureka gear, and from what I remember there’s not really much reason to do that anymore).

It does get done for completion reasons though. I mean if you do BA or DRS a lot "for fun", then there is reason to become powerful in it.

Are groups like that really going to facilitate multiple runs?

They might be over a long period of time, such as a few runs a week, because that's how BA and DRS have happened.

It seems like a really big time investment, taking first-timers all the way through

There are people that do it with BA and DRS because they enjoy helping people through it. Often it doesn't succeed (well, that's mainly with DRS). Yet they keep trying anyway because some runs do succeed.

[-Xenia-]

Mechanically, p1 is extreme level and p2 is first or second floor savage level. Thanks to having 24 people though, it took me as long to clear in pf as it typically takes me to clear third floor savage fights in pf.

[AllenThyl]

The new Chaotic Alliance Raid will again make 1% of players happy but where is the mid-tier content for the rest of us amateur players?

I wish people could stop with that completely untrue statistic. Savage raids are cleared on content by about 15-25% of the active population. Even now, a mere week after the release of the Chaotic Alliance Raid, it has already been cleared by much more than "1%" of all characters, with bit of variance of "how much more" depending on your source, since people now can hide their lodestone.

High-end combat content is not a niche activity in FF14! Stop pretending it is!

[Lilapop]

I wish people could stop with that completely untrue statistic. Savage raids are cleared on content by about 15-25% of the active population. Even now, a mere week after the release of the Chaotic Alliance Raid, it has already been cleared by much more than "1%" of all characters, with bit of variance of "how much more" depending on your source, since people now can hide their lodestone.

High-end combat content is not a niche activity in FF14! Stop pretending it is!

Is your source "trust me bro"? why should your percentage be believed over Hastatus's?

[AllenThyl]

Is your source "trust me bro"? why should your percentage be believed over Hastatus's?

Please. Use your favorite search engine, you will find all possible sources pretty quick. They aren't perfect, but none of them are even in the ballpark of "1%". And have never been historically either, when one couldn't hide their lodestone profile. If you are in an expert dungeon, inspect your teammates for savage gear. It will def be more people than 1 in every 30 who will have savage gear equipped.

[Jeeqbit]

Is your source "trust me bro"? why should your percentage be believed over Hastatus's?

Because Lucky Bancho and FFXIVCollect stats both reflect the 25% ish rate for Savage.

Gonna be a while to get decent stats on the Chaotic raid. Currently the only stat I can get is 0.062% but it takes a while for everything to update (weeks).

[Eyrilona]

Because Lucky Bancho and FFXIVCollect stats both reflect the 25% ish rate for Savage.

Gonna be a while to get decent stats on the Chaotic raid. Currently the only stat I can get is 0.062% but it takes a while for everything to update (weeks).

Hold on there.... that is population who has done savages including everyone who only has only done savages after they were nerfed / could be unsynced / outgeared. For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier. Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%. And for clearing it more than once, it drops off too -- the Achievement for clearing M4S 10 times is held by only 3.5%

[Lilapop]

Please. Use your favorite search engine, you will find all possible sources pretty quick. They aren't perfect, but none of them are even in the ballpark of "1%". And have never been historically either, when one couldn't hide their lodestone profile. If you are in an expert dungeon, inspect your teammates for savage gear. It will def be more people than 1 in every 30 who will have savage gear equipped.

"wheres ur proof?"
"google it bro"

The original post you replied to said it'll make "1% of players happy." Nothing relating to gear or expert dungeons. Which, with the amount of criticism surrounding this fight, I'm inclined to actually believe as it stands right now, 1% is closer to the amount of people who are actually happy with this fight as is right now. For everyone one person saying the fight is fine and doesn't need to be changed, there's a whole thread of people disagreeing. To answer your comment directly, there are no sources that measure... happiness? Am I missing something? Is there a misunderstanding here?

[Jeeqbit]

For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier.

That stat is for the current savage tier.

Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%.

My methodology was to divide the number of people with the M4S mount with the number of people with the M4 normal minion. Which resulted in 24.7%.

I didn't look at the achievements, so let's try that with achievements then:

29.8% of people who cleared M4 also cleared M4S.