Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done)

[Gurgeh]

Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done. With the game.)

• Why did they do this?
• I gather they put Ultimate BiS gear in here is that right? Why did they do that? And put us with Ultimate raiders who were now going to want to min/max their way to the gear they need in 'THE ABSOLUTE' shortest time possible? (You don't often come across ultimate weapons in your levelling roul. They just won't tolerate wasting a second of their time. I don't blame them. I expect its 'necessary'.)
  
• Is there anyone who knows the JP forums and where what discussions happen who can tell us how this is working out and going down with that region's PF/DF etiquette?

Because in so many respects, I just don't understand how or why they did this the way they did? This was all so inevitable? So is it because it does work for JP at least? I just struggle to believe that this wasn't design to work... somewhere? somehow?( Even if not for EU.)
But I don't undersand? I thought the bodychecks were bad enough, but to put Ultimate BiS gear in here? Couldn't they just make it a Shiny weapon or some gear reskins?

[Gurgeh]

After playing for four years I unsubbed about 2 months ago. (pretty unhappy, lot of good reasons. cant be bothered to repeat anymore than you want to hear)
Then I resubbed about a month ago, but cancelled it the moment I resubbed to let it run out again.
Worked hard to be ready for Chaotic.
]Cleared Ex3. Hated the farms and went back to polishing Ex2 and Ex3 practices parties.
Got my gear to 723.
(spent an absolute fortune on 80 Roast Chicken)

I had loads of fun in Chaotic in Light DutyFinder on 24th. LOADS of fun. Got to P2 in about 2 1/2 hours login time. Knew most of the P1 mechs well, even if not consistent. The ones I didn't know, I just didn't know that I didn't know.

Raved about it to all those casual friends who'd resubbed (nothing to do with me) just before Christmas also. They said "lets set something up for new Chaotic 'Alliance'?".
The top 10 ranked ultimate raider, (one of the rankings I wont say which) in my now dead community piped in to warn them it was hard. Properly savage hard. And they were absolutely right to do so. They weren't just being gatekeeping. We'd been speculating just days before with them how hard it would be. (Yoshi, you should have just said, "its 'above' entry level Savage. Its tough." Not "It requires communication". You know what we want to know. You know why. Just say it. Lot of already disappointed people, more disappointed. This is basic 'relations'.)
Those friends were barely logging in even though they'd been unsubbed much longer that me. Its clear they came back for 'the new type of "Alliance"' And needless to say they never tried Chaotic in the end.

I Came back on 26th AM.
DF was dead.
Spent a whole day in PF. A whole day. Made no more progress. 3 pull abandon wait, after abandon wait after abandon wait. For much of that I wasn't even yet joining P2 parties. Getting 'absolutely no' useful P1 practice. A phase I've only done for a couple of hours two days ago.
I finally had a great P2 begin party 10:30 PM. In 1 hour got to see P3 transition (sort of ><)
But I still had a horrible day, where barely anyone even said 'hi' in /a or /p chat, (I was joining English language parties) who would then leave abruptly form one or more parties.

Anyway. I'm done. And I really don't every see myself coming back except out of morbid curiosity. Great as the people are in my new communities, I've got no connection to them now, and won't if I return. I won't be geared for high end. I 'will' be bored of casual. (I'm not going to enjoy the next Bozja unless its an Extreme level challenge. I don't enjoy drind unless there is a longer term goal. And I won't be planning on being there long term.)
Yeah we are just done.

(for those who've managed to avoid my posts the last couple of days, I bought a PS5 for the sofa, to add to my office 3080RTX PC account, just for this game, I 'enjoyed' this game so much getting from ARR to EW over 3.5 year.)

[IOwn92FCHouses]

Anyone who responds to this very clear bait fails the vibe check.

[Voidmage]

You can find the Japanese thread here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...511912/?page=1

They say more or less the same as we do.
The content is fun but not ideal for 24 people in PF and they are pretty miffed because it is not the difficulty that was originally planned.
If anything their thread seems even more consistently negative the ours.

For your question for whom this:

Bis gear they said in the past that they would be looking into alternate ways to get it.
I don’t know if this is the correct way but I give them kudos for trying it.

For the why PF the content.
I genuinely think they really wanted to do a raid that is harder then normal in 24 man and brings people together.
It was probably really planned to be a step up for those who want to try harder content with the idea of raiders helping new people out.
They just completely butchered the finetuning of the difficulty too much into one extreme because they didn’t realize what 24 people means.
I honestly think this is the result of them only testing things in a test environment because no way they had 24 of their people doing this thing normally and thought “yes, this is the correct difficulty”.

[CVXIV]

honestly seeing the expectation, or desire for the next field operation zone being 'extreme' level difficulty made me laugh

[Gurgeh]

You can find the Japanese thread here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...511912/?page=1

They say more or less the same as we do.
The content is fun but not ideal for 24 people in PF and they are pretty miffed because it is not the difficulty that was originally planned.
If anything their thread seems even more consistently negative the ours.

For your question for whom this:

Bis gear they said in the past that they would be looking into alternate ways to get it.
I don’t know if this is the correct way but I give them kudos for trying it.

For the why PF the content.
I genuinely think they really wanted to do a raid that is harder then normal in 24 man and brings people together.
It was probably really planned to be a step up for those who want to try harder content with the idea of raiders helping new people out.
They just completely butchered the finetuning of the difficulty too much into one extreme because they didn’t realize what 24 people means.
I honestly think this is the result of them only testing things in a test environment because no way they had 24 of their people doing this thing normally and thought “yes, this is the correct difficulty”.

Thanks void. Well... I just don't get it then. The more I understood, the more I thought there had to be an opportunity for an explanation, but... I don't get it.
If I could close this thread now I would. I don't think I need anymore answers.
Time to find something great to do for today.

[Gurgeh]

honestly seeing the expectation, or desire for the next field operation zone being 'extreme' level difficulty made me laugh

I know. Its why its hopeless.
"play other games they say"
Then come back to your boring casual but wonderfully rich social game that you left, that won't even be social anymore, and is now just boring casual, maybe with highly repetitive grind thrown in.

[Valence]

I genuinely think they really wanted to do a raid that is harder then normal in 24 man and brings people together.
It was probably really planned to be a step up for those who want to try harder content with the idea of raiders helping new people out.

SE does not understand that their current pve model doesn't lend itself at all to people helping each other. They've made it so individualistic with lists of patterns to execute (or die/wipe the raid) per player that you'd be hard pressed to have people supporting each other. As I've said in another thread, this only forces people to "put up with each other" rather than helping.

[Kaurhz]

Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done. With the game.)

• Why did they do this?
• I gather they put Ultimate BiS gear in here is that right? Why did they do that? And put us with Ultimate raiders who were now going to want to min/max their way to the gear they need in 'THE ABSOLUTE' shortest time possible? (You don't often come across ultimate weapons in your levelling roul. They just won't tolerate wasting a second of their time. I don't blame them. I expect its 'necessary'.)
  
• Is there anyone who knows the JP forums and where what discussions happen who can tell us how this is working out and going down with that region's PF/DF etiquette?

Because in so many respects, I just don't understand how or why they did this the way they did? This was all so inevitable? So is it because it does work for JP at least? I just struggle to believe that this wasn't design to work... somewhere? somehow?( Even if not for EU.)
But I don't undersand? I thought the bodychecks were bad enough, but to put Ultimate BiS gear in here? Couldn't they just make it a Shiny weapon or some gear reskins?

1. it was actually highly requested, but there seems to be a lot of conflicting information on supposedly what the difficulty level was meant to be. Although it's well received by a fraction of players, I think people were still expecting an actual alliance raid, not just a person-bloated trial. I think a lot of people that requested this were expecting something akin to BA-level difficulty for 24-people.

2. They put gear equivalent to BiS, this includes equivalent to current augmented Tomestone and Savage gear.

3. The problem isn't anything to do with Ultimate raiders, as there is no reason why an extreme-level or savage-level raider cannot keep up with Ultimate raiders in this specific piece of content. The problem is they put rewards which they knew were highly sought after across every sphere in this game, as a means to try and bump up those completion rates. But ultimately all they have done is funneled a lot of ill-equipped players into content that is not only at least extreme-level difficulty but has body checks in large scale content.

All of these issues are exacerbated by people not necessarily being the most truthful or up-front about their prog-point, so you end up with people that may not necessarily understand the fight in its entirety joining a kill party, when in reality they may still only be halfway through the fight, and in some instances they may only be doing this to skip being grouped with people that are for eternity wiping on body-checks.

[Mawlzy]

Thanks void. Well... I just don't get it then. The more I understood, the more I thought there had to be an opportunity for an explanation, but... I don't get it.
If I could close this thread now I would. I don't think I need anymore answers.
Time to find something great to do for today.

I don't think it's a deep mystery. They either screwed up, are cloth-eared, or assume they know better than the players who predicted most of the problems with this fight when the true difficulty was revealed in the LL.