Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[Lilapop]

than casual players who have even thought about entering an extreme in its current expansion.

Obviously? Clearly? Because if they did current content Extreme/Savage raiding, they wouldn't be a casual player.

[Collin_Sky]

Obviously? Clearly? Because if they did current content Extreme/Savage raiding, they wouldn't be a casual player.

Congrats on ignoring the point I was trying to make and hyperfocusing on creating a gotcha moment instead.

[Lilapop]

Congrats on ignoring the point I was trying to make and hyperfocusing on creating a gotcha moment instead.

Your point wasn't ignored. Your point isn't even a point. Us disagreeing doesn't mean your point was ignored.

[FlopsyPrince]

I am an intense casual player. I have tried a few Extreme Duties but only because a blue checkmark led me to it.

[Absurdity]

Hardcore players are a binary. They either log in 30 seconds before raid, expect someone in their static to give them food and pots, say "see you next week" and then log out before even leaving the instance, or they have 30k+ achievement points. There is no in between.

The problem is that the meaning of hardcore and casual has gotten so damn muddled over time.
Where it used to mean how much time you invested into something it nowadays is mostly used to describe the skill level of players, that's how you can have "hardcore" players at complete opposite ends.

One of them basically being a raid logger that doesn't invest much time since all they care about are the raids, the high skill challenges.
While the other hardcore player spends 8 hours a day doing everything in the game.

The same problem comes up when talking about casuals.
Are they casual because they only spend very little time in the game, but still manage to clear savage while playing maybe 6 hours a week?
Or are they casual because they've never done anything harder than alliance raids but spend 8 hours a day chatting at the limsa aetheryte?

[hydralus]

The problem is that the meaning of hardcore and casual has gotten so damn muddled over time.
Where it used to mean how much time you invested into something it nowadays is mostly used to describe the skill level of players, that's how you can have "hardcore" players at complete opposite ends.

One of them basically being a raid logger that doesn't invest much time since all they care about are the raids, the high skill challenges.
While the other hardcore player spends 8 hours a day doing everything in the game.

The same problem comes up when talking about casuals.
Are they casual because they only spend very little time in the game, but still manage to clear savage while playing maybe 6 hours a week?
Or are they casual because they've never done anything harder than alliance raids but spend 8 hours a day chatting at the limsa aetheryte?

Don't forget to add in the players that SE added a "very easy" mode to solo-instances for, so they can get through the story to reach endgame.

[Mawlzy]

Don't forget to add in the players that SE added a "very easy" mode to solo-instances for, so they can get through the story to reach endgame.

How is that a problem? I believe in most solo instances you're not using your own kit. The only way to prevent highly-skilled players from complaining it is too easy and less-skilled that it is too hard is to have different difficulty levels.

[Supersnow845]

How is that a problem? I believe in most solo instances you're not using your own kit. The only way to prevent highly-skilled players from complaining it is too easy and less-skilled that it is too hard is to have different difficulty levels.

The problem more comes from the fact that in order for a game that shoves players together to complete content and where content is made so that everyone does the same content to progress there needs to be some measure of a skill floor or the game simply falls apart

Right now 14 functionally has no floor. Solo instances can be completed on very easy mode where your characters natural regen exceeds the damage the boss does and the NPC’s will kill the boss for you. Instances with other players can basically be fished for either getting a tank who does everything for you or leaving you dead on the floor and completing it without you.

It’s a problem for the core design of content if people who physically don’t understand anything about their job reach level 100 because even ignoring hardcore players the gap between “I don’t like extremes and up but I know my rotation and strive to meaningfully contribute” and “physick is the only button on my hotbar and I don’t know the WAR is actually doing 99.99% of the healing because I think my physicks are doing all this healing” becomes so deep and wide there is functionally no content that satisfies everyone. Even though very easy was made an option the normal difficulty instances in DT were god awful compared to say in from the cold or the azim steppe one (minus cutscenes) due to complaints about in from the cold even though it has a very easy mode

There is a reason why even single player games don’t let you just curb stomp everything in the mid game and reach the endgame or let an NPC do it for you if you fundamentally don’t understand the basics of the game

[Mawlzy]

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Yes I understand all those arguments and even agree with some of them, but how does using an NPC 6-button kit in a solo duty help a player get better with the job they play in group content?

[Supersnow845]

Yes I understand all those arguments and even agree with some of them, but how does using an NPC 6-button kit in a solo duty help a player get better with the job they play in group content?

Because

1) not all solo duties use the condensed kits of other jobs
2) a lot of the time people who can barely play will play more than one job including those ones
3) understanding how a condensed job like those works is useful for understanding how to properly play a full job as they are created from combos, alternate combos self healing buttons and oGCD actions you want to keep rolling. All things that will benefit you to understand when swapping back to your real job